quail hound
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Not only was Ted "hunting" a baited area, but he shot an illegal spike buck, now he's hunting preserve birds. Wow Ted you're a sportsmen, not!
Ted Nugent Investigation
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elijah79
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Hunting a baited area... don't we do that in a sense when we're looking for Ditch Chickens in a cornfield? I'm not condoning baiting at all, but that's about what it is when we're in a cornfield trying to be sporting!!
What about looking for deer in those same areas. Isn't hunting over a food plot on most of these hunting shows the same thing? They plant food, knowing the deer/pheasants/whatever will come and they hunt over it trying to act like they've put forth all this time and effort into their hunt when all they did is sit over some bait and let the game come to them?!
I mean, explain to me the difference...
What about looking for deer in those same areas. Isn't hunting over a food plot on most of these hunting shows the same thing? They plant food, knowing the deer/pheasants/whatever will come and they hunt over it trying to act like they've put forth all this time and effort into their hunt when all they did is sit over some bait and let the game come to them?!
I mean, explain to me the difference...
moellermd
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In all praticle sense there is no difference. A food plot is planted to be bait. Teds problem was that were he was hunting what he was doing was considered illegal. I would have no problem with DNR's declaring food plots illegal, but there not.
elijah79
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I guess I just have a hard time with the way these nerds look on TV when they start hyperventilating after shooting a deer off a food plot when all they did was get up in the morning, climb into a tree stand and shoot a deer that was all but tied to the tree for them.
Pheasants are no different. I don't have a problem with showing what you've gotten the previous year, but when you go into a cornfield and could have just as easily used a stick and knocked them out of the air... c'mon!! What ever happened to the sporting aspect of it??
Pheasants are no different. I don't have a problem with showing what you've gotten the previous year, but when you go into a cornfield and could have just as easily used a stick and knocked them out of the air... c'mon!! What ever happened to the sporting aspect of it??
Mr Hyde
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And a PINK HAT....!!! :thumbsup:
Gove County Britts
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yea and a pink UPH hat
kgpcr
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Its already here! You have to have a drivers lic. to buy a hunting lic. LOL
yea a pink hat. lol I heard on the radio today Grove ,that a bird in the hand will poop in your hand.
no kidding a gun shops add from phx. Is this true?
Gove County Britts
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no its not true ofcourse the only ones in my hand have already let go of that feature before the dog bring it back
no its not true ofcourse the only ones in my hand have already let go of that feature before the dog bring it back
yea gove,
Thats what i thought, But it was Bill Clinton, doing the talking ,on this add????????? lol
The Rapid City Journal has posted a follow up article on Ted
Deer vs. pheasant: Did Ted Nugent hunt illegally in South Dakota?
Kevin Woster Journal staff | Posted: Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:21 pm
It is still unclear whether Ted Nugent violated South Dakota law when he shot pheasants on a hunting preserve near Hot Springs two weeks ago.
A California wildlife officer confirmed Thursday that the rocker and outspoken gun advocate is prohibited, because of a no-contest plea in August to two misdemeanor deer hunting charges, from hunting deer in that state until July of 2012.
But Nugent can still hunt pheasants in California, said Patrick Foy, a warden and public information officer for the law enforcement division of the California Fish and Game Department.
"Ted Nugent is prohibited from hunting deer in California until after June 30 of 2012," Foy said. "He can hunt pheasants. He can hunt pigs. He can hunt whatever else he wants to hunt. He is prohibited from hunting deer."
The species-specific nature of the suspension in California is likely to be a factor as South Dakota Game, Fish & Parks Department officers try to determine whether Nugent violated state regulations when he shot pheasants near Hot Springs prior to an Oct. 16 appearance in Rapid City.
South Dakota is part of a group of states with an agreement allowing each to honor the other's licenses suspensions for hunting, fishing and trapping. But it's unclear whether hunting pheasants would constitute a violation of a license suspension that is specific to hunting deer. GF&P officers have not responded to questions about the case. Their policy is not to comment on active investigations.
Foy said he couldn't speak for South Dakota and what it might do on the issue. He did say that Nugent, who spends much of his time at a ranch in Texas but hunts all over the world, had always "gotten along well with the wardens" in California.
"We certainly have no ill will toward him," Foy said. "He was cooperative with our investigators. And he appears to have accepted responsibility for his actions."
Contact Kevin Woster at 394-8413 or kevin.woster@rapidcityjournal.com
Deer vs. pheasant: Did Ted Nugent hunt illegally in South Dakota?
Kevin Woster Journal staff | Posted: Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:21 pm
It is still unclear whether Ted Nugent violated South Dakota law when he shot pheasants on a hunting preserve near Hot Springs two weeks ago.
A California wildlife officer confirmed Thursday that the rocker and outspoken gun advocate is prohibited, because of a no-contest plea in August to two misdemeanor deer hunting charges, from hunting deer in that state until July of 2012.
But Nugent can still hunt pheasants in California, said Patrick Foy, a warden and public information officer for the law enforcement division of the California Fish and Game Department.
"Ted Nugent is prohibited from hunting deer in California until after June 30 of 2012," Foy said. "He can hunt pheasants. He can hunt pigs. He can hunt whatever else he wants to hunt. He is prohibited from hunting deer."
The species-specific nature of the suspension in California is likely to be a factor as South Dakota Game, Fish & Parks Department officers try to determine whether Nugent violated state regulations when he shot pheasants near Hot Springs prior to an Oct. 16 appearance in Rapid City.
South Dakota is part of a group of states with an agreement allowing each to honor the other's licenses suspensions for hunting, fishing and trapping. But it's unclear whether hunting pheasants would constitute a violation of a license suspension that is specific to hunting deer. GF&P officers have not responded to questions about the case. Their policy is not to comment on active investigations.
Foy said he couldn't speak for South Dakota and what it might do on the issue. He did say that Nugent, who spends much of his time at a ranch in Texas but hunts all over the world, had always "gotten along well with the wardens" in California.
"We certainly have no ill will toward him," Foy said. "He was cooperative with our investigators. And he appears to have accepted responsibility for his actions."
Contact Kevin Woster at 394-8413 or kevin.woster@rapidcityjournal.com
Uncle Buck
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Well there is some gasoline on the fire.
Like Ted or not, he tell's it like he sees it and I do think we need a little more of that.
Some folks are going to get a good dose of "I told you so" next Weds., but hey, I don't want to start anything.
Like Ted or not, he tell's it like he sees it and I do think we need a little more of that.
Some folks are going to get a good dose of "I told you so" next Weds., but hey, I don't want to start anything.
jnormanh
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Advocating by violating the regulations in two states? You can have my share of Ted Nugent. Enjoy.
Ted nugent....he is a maniac. On one side, he is advocating for hunting on a national level, he is reaching viewers everywhere and making hunting seem interesting. On the other side, he does sometimes act like a nutcase which to the non gun owning american, seems scary, like all of us run around with ar 15's screaming. Nobody is perfect, but i guess in my opinion, he isnt the greatest person to have people see hunters as.
Better question...if you had the budget and resources of ted nugent, would you be shooting deer illegally in cali? haha i could think of some other more legal things to do.
Better question...if you had the budget and resources of ted nugent, would you be shooting deer illegally in cali? haha i could think of some other more legal things to do.
Ranger Rick
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I, for one, am sick and tired of political correctness and I love Ted for being about as politically incorrect as they come. Who cares if the PETA/Humane Society types see him as fodder for their activities? I sure don't. To hell with them all. Not everyone fits into a neat set of rules and that goes for people who hunt. I'm not condoning illegal activities, but where it's legal, to each his own.
Hunting deer over bait is legal here in WI. I wish it wasn't, not because I think it's unethical, but because baiting turns the deer nocturnal. When there's pressure in the woods, they know where there's food, go there at night, fill their bellies and then find a dark, quiet place to bed during the rest of the day. And so we don't see normal deer movements.
In the south people hunt deer with hounds. When I moved to Florida years ago I was appalled. Here in rural WI, if we saw dogs chasing deer, we might shoot them. I got used to the idea that people used dogs in their hunt for deer, but would never do it myself. We've all grown up in different environments and what's appalling practice to one is tradition to another. As I said, to each his own.
Hunting deer over bait is legal here in WI. I wish it wasn't, not because I think it's unethical, but because baiting turns the deer nocturnal. When there's pressure in the woods, they know where there's food, go there at night, fill their bellies and then find a dark, quiet place to bed during the rest of the day. And so we don't see normal deer movements.
In the south people hunt deer with hounds. When I moved to Florida years ago I was appalled. Here in rural WI, if we saw dogs chasing deer, we might shoot them. I got used to the idea that people used dogs in their hunt for deer, but would never do it myself. We've all grown up in different environments and what's appalling practice to one is tradition to another. As I said, to each his own.
onpoint
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I find the info that if you break a big game rule, you can still hunt anything else...kind of fishy. If you break a game law in most states, it bleeds over into the revocation of all your hunting rights.
On another note, I do not support the pact that if you break a game law in one state, you are banned in 30 some other states. Funny, it's OK to unionize in that sort if way but talk organized labor and folks sticking together and it's frowned upon. One prick game warden who's on a mission to make a name for himself and a person without enough money to fight any charges and your all done hunting for 3 years just that fast. Until the system is fairly enforced and not made up in the field as you go. I will not support such actions.
On another note, I do not support the pact that if you break a game law in one state, you are banned in 30 some other states. Funny, it's OK to unionize in that sort if way but talk organized labor and folks sticking together and it's frowned upon. One prick game warden who's on a mission to make a name for himself and a person without enough money to fight any charges and your all done hunting for 3 years just that fast. Until the system is fairly enforced and not made up in the field as you go. I will not support such actions.
Upland at 'em
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Am I missing something?
I grew up a Karl Malden fan. With a side helping of Kojak and Simon and Simon, I have a true pop television detective degree. Not that I really even need that, though, with the info Wirehair posted above.
The Motor City Madman can't hunt deer in California. Check. SD and CA have an agreement on mutual license bans. Check. The Nugester shot pheasants in SD and this somehow relates to the deer only ban in California? Sorry, that seems irrelevant.
Maybe SD needs to look into something specific that happened on the game preserve, but it seems completely unrelated to the California ban. Not even close. Not the same ballpark, not the same game, not the same genre of music. Oh, unless by using Ted's name someone is hoping to garner extra attention. Check.
If Ted deserves a Stranglehold for something he's done wrong, fine. But the CA to SD connection seems completely beyond logic. Maybe he made the wrong kitty purr with the stroke of his hand.
I grew up a Karl Malden fan. With a side helping of Kojak and Simon and Simon, I have a true pop television detective degree. Not that I really even need that, though, with the info Wirehair posted above.
The Motor City Madman can't hunt deer in California. Check. SD and CA have an agreement on mutual license bans. Check. The Nugester shot pheasants in SD and this somehow relates to the deer only ban in California? Sorry, that seems irrelevant.
Maybe SD needs to look into something specific that happened on the game preserve, but it seems completely unrelated to the California ban. Not even close. Not the same ballpark, not the same game, not the same genre of music. Oh, unless by using Ted's name someone is hoping to garner extra attention. Check.
If Ted deserves a Stranglehold for something he's done wrong, fine. But the CA to SD connection seems completely beyond logic. Maybe he made the wrong kitty purr with the stroke of his hand.
Upland at 'em
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Rubbish!
Yeah, but you're talkin' 'bout California! Birth place of WTF?! Read the line from the article:
"Ted Nugent is prohibited from hunting deer in California until after June 30 of 2012," Foy said. "He can hunt pheasants. He can hunt pigs. He can hunt whatever else he wants to hunt. He is prohibited from hunting deer."
So he can still hunt snipe, too, just not mulie. So if that's the case, SD shouldn't have much of squat to say about pheasant - ESPECIALLY like you said, onpoint, because it was on a game preserve.
I hunted a sport club a couple of times....You can shoot pheasants well outside of regular hunting seasons, and you can shoot both hens and roosters...bag limits obviously don't apply. Seems like most of the rules are not in play. In Colorado no license is required. Just hunter safety permit unless you're grandfathered in. Anyway......I say let the Great White Buffalo roam! If he breaks a real rule, then that's something else.
Yeah, but you're talkin' 'bout California! Birth place of WTF?! Read the line from the article:
"Ted Nugent is prohibited from hunting deer in California until after June 30 of 2012," Foy said. "He can hunt pheasants. He can hunt pigs. He can hunt whatever else he wants to hunt. He is prohibited from hunting deer."
So he can still hunt snipe, too, just not mulie. So if that's the case, SD shouldn't have much of squat to say about pheasant - ESPECIALLY like you said, onpoint, because it was on a game preserve.
I hunted a sport club a couple of times....You can shoot pheasants well outside of regular hunting seasons, and you can shoot both hens and roosters...bag limits obviously don't apply. Seems like most of the rules are not in play. In Colorado no license is required. Just hunter safety permit unless you're grandfathered in. Anyway......I say let the Great White Buffalo roam! If he breaks a real rule, then that's something else.