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We share the same passion, we just approach it differently.

I come from a far more conservative approach to hunting. IMO, too many bring the competitive approach taught to them in other areas of life to the sport. Just shooting a few birds to enjoy at family dinner's is not enough for them. They must shoot, then shoot some more, even if they have to give them away. I was taught to take what I needed and leave the rest to live another day. I don't have to win at all costs.

When people have turned to shooting so many birds they have to grind them into sausage to use them up. We have reversed our conservation efforts to the market hunting days.

Nothing brings it to light more then in the waterfowling community. If you watched the tv program Duck Commander. The last show about the last day of duck season and duck number 1200. This is commin practice in the southern wintering grounds of Arkansas, Mississippi & surrounding states

These picture's gave the sport one of the biggest black eye's ever

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Quote from Tony Dean

http://www.tonydean.com/pages/posts/the-price-of-theldquoconservation-orderrdquo135.php

The October, Outdoor Life magazine carried a short feature on Arkansas guide, Patrick Pick, who along with eleven hunting buddies, killed 1,029 snow geese over two days. The author wrote, â??Rather than waste time and effort trying to call the huge flocks near, they decided to take the hunt to the geese, stalking within shotgun range,â?� an effort that conjures up pictures of the Louisiana slaughter footage.

â??We had pushers and blockers,â?� Pitt said, â??and we used radios and cell phones to work our way around the feeding flocks of birds.â?� (The use of such devices while hunting is illegal in most states.) The group determined the most likely escape routes and blockers set up there. The story did not mention crippling, but given the tactics, itâ??s hard to imagine there wasnâ??t a significant amount. For further justification, they said they used all the meat, but no matter how you slice it, nearly 86 birds per hunter is a lot of jerky.

Two photos illustrated the story; one picturing a grinning Pitt in front of a tall pile of dead geese, and another with the birds arranged in a square on green grass, with dead birds removed to spell out â??1,029.â?� Thatâ??s some way to show respect for the birds.

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When you exemplify that your hunting party killed 240 birds in two trips a week apart. Above is what as a hunter is portrayed to some. IMO, it doesn't put hunters in a good light to many, especially those who don't hunt at all. It's not all about the numbers. My 79 year old father thinks much like Tony Dean. Take only what you yourself can use or soon there will be none to take

onpoint
 
If I lived in pheasant country, I would approach it like I do ruffed grouse hunting...drive 15 miles, take a walk in the woods with the dogs, get my hour and a half of exercise, maybe hear/see/shoot some grouse, maybe not...either way, a great way to spend some time. However, when I drive 440 miles and spend alot of $ on gas, licenses, lodging, etc, you're darn right I am going to hunt as much as I can...can you imagine some golfer going to Pebble Beach and walking off the course after 6 or 12 holes?

I don't HAVE to give birds away...I CHOOSE to, because it brings much joy to those who used to hunt this bird but cannot anymore (my dad, or example)...or, those who simply enjoy them as table fare, perhaps because they had a past connection to someone who hunted and provided pheasant for their table.

Before you make your clinical conclusions about what motivates a particular hunter, or his friends, spend some time with them. By the way, you need to read more carefully--it wasn't ONE hunting party that hunted a week apart...it was two different parties, myself being the only one who was there twice in that period. As far as your reference to your father, and also, Tony Dean, I disagree as far as pheasants are concerned. It is widely understood that NOT harvesting a high % of roosters is potentially HARMFUL to the population, especially when a harsh winter follows the hunting season. Any biologist worth his salt will tell you that you really can't overharvest pheasants...if you could, SD GFP wouldn't have even considered raising the limit to 5 day/25 possession last month.

I am not ashamed to proclaim that I absolutely, unequivocally love the pursuit of upland game birds, especially pheasants. I hunt as much as I can. Period. I hope everyone has a great hunting season in 2010, regardless of which approach you take to hunting!
 
We share the same passion, we just approach it differently.

I come from a far more conservative approach to hunting. IMO, too many bring the competitive approach taught to them in other areas of life to the sport. Just shooting a few birds to enjoy at family dinner's is not enough for them. They must shoot, then shoot some more, even if they have to give them away. I was taught to take what I needed and leave the rest to live another day. I don't have to win at all costs.

When people have turned to shooting so many birds they have to grind them into sausage to use them up. We have reversed our conservation efforts to the market hunting days.

Nothing brings it to light more then in the waterfowling community. If you watched the tv program Duck Commander. The last show about the last day of duck season and duck number 1200. This is commin practice in the southern wintering grounds of Arkansas, Mississippi & surrounding states

These picture's gave the sport one of the biggest black eye's ever

stanchapinA.jpg


stanchapin.jpg


Quote from Tony Dean

http://www.tonydean.com/pages/posts/the-price-of-theldquoconservation-orderrdquo135.php

The October, Outdoor Life magazine carried a short feature on Arkansas guide, Patrick Pick, who along with eleven hunting buddies, killed 1,029 snow geese over two days. The author wrote, â??Rather than waste time and effort trying to call the huge flocks near, they decided to take the hunt to the geese, stalking within shotgun range,â?� an effort that conjures up pictures of the Louisiana slaughter footage.

â??We had pushers and blockers,â?� Pitt said, â??and we used radios and cell phones to work our way around the feeding flocks of birds.â?� (The use of such devices while hunting is illegal in most states.) The group determined the most likely escape routes and blockers set up there. The story did not mention crippling, but given the tactics, itâ??s hard to imagine there wasnâ??t a significant amount. For further justification, they said they used all the meat, but no matter how you slice it, nearly 86 birds per hunter is a lot of jerky.

Two photos illustrated the story; one picturing a grinning Pitt in front of a tall pile of dead geese, and another with the birds arranged in a square on green grass, with dead birds removed to spell out â??1,029.â?� Thatâ??s some way to show respect for the birds.

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When you exemplify that your hunting party killed 240 birds in two trips a week apart. Above is what as a hunter is portrayed to some. IMO, it doesn't put hunters in a good light to many, especially those who don't hunt at all. It's not all about the numbers. My 79 year old father thinks much like Tony Dean. Take only what you yourself can use or soon there will be none to take

onpoint

The snow goose situation is different because the wildlife biologists say that there are too many of them for the nesting habitat in the Hudson bay. The degradation of the nesting habitat could result in the long term loss of snow geese. The solution is to reduce the population and the perferred method is by hunting so the limit was raised to 20 each with no possession limit. Also electronic calls are allowed and the three shell restriction was lifted for the spring season. Given the situation there is nothing wrong with a bunch of guys shooting a bunch of birds because they are helping to reduce the population.

Furthermore, I've been snow goose hunting several times and it is not easy to shoot snow geese. Many times a group of guys will scout, set up and get no birds but when it works it sometimes works good and a lot of birds can be bagged. I seriously doubt if anyone can shoot a bunch of snow geese by surrounding them or blocking the escape routes, they may shoot a bunch by driving by and shooting them on the ground from the window ie. road hunting but otherwise the best way is by setting up a thousand decoys in a field they they want to be in.
 
Limiting out

I'm guessing there are very few folks who would not shoot their limit of birds when given the chance. Many times folks may not limit but when it happens they will take pictures of the event and share them with others. This is very normal.
 
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BB, Onpoint just hasn't quite figured it out yet.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.

This Buds for you.

Same to you! Thanks again for the invite from back a week or two ago..hope you got my pm telling you I couldn't make it due to my own hunt schedule. Happy New Year!
 
I'm guessing there are very few folks who would not shoot their limit of birds when given the chance. Many times folks may not limit but when it happens they will take pictures of the event and share them with others. This is very normal.

I agree. Over the past 10+ years I have probably hosted over 75 different hunters...all very different in terms of hunting background, experience, etc, etc. Never had one want to quit after one or two birds...had many who brought video cameras based on what they had heard or had experienced...they never have been uncased!
 
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"I was out twice in the past two weeks... 8 guys killed 240 birds. Feel very fortunate to have been there with little snow...looking at the forecast and trying to figure out if/when I can get back this month."
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8 guys, did you say 15 different people? NO

Could you have just said 8 of us shot our limit?

Instead you made a point to point out 240 birds killed by 8 hunters(not 15 hunters as you say now).

Did you or did you not say, 8 guys killed 240 birds?

I'm sure your a hellofnice guy and yes we share a love of hunting. I bet we could get along just fine. As I said, we just differ in our approach to the sport

I wish you nothing but the best

Merry Christmas and happy new years to you and your family



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"I was out twice in the past two weeks... 8 guys killed 240 birds. Feel very fortunate to have been there with little snow...looking at the forecast and trying to figure out if/when I can get back this month."
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8 guys, did you say 15 different people? NO

Could you have just said 8 of us shot our limit?

Instead you made a point to point out 240 birds killed by 8 hunters(not 15 hunters as you say now).

Did you or did you not say, 8 guys killed 240 birds?

I'm sure your a hellofnice guy and yes we share a love of hunting. I bet we could get along just fine. As I said, we just differ in our approach to the sport

I wish you nothing but the best

Merry Christmas and happy new years to you and your family



onpoint




Onpoint, you're right, I bet we would get along just fine...we both love dogs, guns, hunting, etc. Sorry I didn't word my two or three sentences differently. Two trips, 8 guys each trip, me being the only guy who made both trips. Could have said that we hunted for 5 days and limited both trips...chose the other version, no particular reason, sorry it rubbed you the wrong way. Regardless, happy holidays to you and your family as well. Maybe we'll cross paths someday...I have never met anyone from the old PheasantCountry, or this website, who wasn't a real class, stand-up guy.

I use this website to get a feel for what is going on...good or bad. I saw some earlier posts from you this fall offering your opinion on the status of the hunting at that point in the season...that is helpful. I was hurriedly offering some input on my recent hunts in case that offered some insight to others who were contemplating a trip out. Frankly, my two December hunts were really, really great trips, maybe some of the best I have had, and I thought it was helpful to share. More than anything else it was the conditions...corn was out, very little snow, sloughs were frozen pretty solid...made for some very good hunting, as we could get to the birds no matter the time of the day.
 
I agree with onpoint! BB do you ever shoot your guest's limit? Do you ever shoot more than one guest's limit? Most of your posts include large #'s of pheasants. Seams like a lot for someone who owns about 160 acres, even with other access.
 
I agree with onpoint! BB do you ever shoot your guest's limit? Do you ever shoot more than one guest's limit? Most of your posts include large #'s of pheasants. Seams like a lot for someone who owns about 160 acres, even with other access.

I usually have access to anywhere from 2-4 other farms (which don't get alot of pressure) besides my piece of ground once mid-November rolls around. We also hunt some public stuff mid-week. Yes, we party hunt...we don't itemize how many birds each hunter shoots, we keep track of our total # of birds harvested....seems to even out...virtually every guy I hunt with has at least one dog and is pretty serious about hunting. Early season, when I don't have access to other ground, my group sizes are smaller and we don't typically party hunt, but that isn't always the case.

Because we usually have so many dogs in the field with us, it is common for one guy's dog to retrieve a bird shot by someone else...when we periodically count birds, we don't talk about how many birds we each have shot, but rather, how many we are "carrying" because of this. I must say it is rare when someone in my group gets hung up about who shot a particular bird...as often as not, we attribute it to the other guy in the event two guys were shooting at the same bird.
 
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