Pheasants Forever on the wrong track???

captaincoot said:
Zero chance it's not from PF. I know people that work at or for seed companies after three years they get rid of the seed. Most worked up around north south dakota border and got access to all the good pheasant food crops. My one experience with PF this fall is they really don't care. Ordered seed paid for in full same day. promised deliverery in a few days so I could plant it this fall. Three weeks later they call went on vacation forgot your order guy. I'll go to the independent seed growers next time. Never cared for PF before and even less now. You guys want wildlife spend money on your own projects not raffles pheasants will thank you for it:thumbsup:
Plus zero knowledge on what mixes to use.
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Sorry to see you are so down on Pheasants Forever. I can only speak for my local chapter but the food plot seed we give to our members is purchased from Milborn seeds in eastern South Dakota and is one of their custom mixes that you to can buy--its not old seed their giving away. In addition we give $5000 to the legal action fund for the 2011 Farm Bill/CRP. $1500 to the SDGF&P for nesting cover on a local Game Production Area(Public Hunting). $1000 for trees and woody cover on a 9000 acre walk-in area.(Public Hunting) $2000 for nesting cover on a new Game Production area.(Public Hunting) $3000 to the SD Youth Hunting Advertures-a group of local conservation groups that do Mentored youth hunts (53 kids last year and 75 this year--hopefully).

So at least our local PF chapter does lots more than just give away seed, and I can tell you WE DO CARE.

OH we are located in far Western SD--not that many pheasants here but we are working on changing that the best that we can

SDJIM
 
I saw a PF show featuring a far west SD chapter, probably yours, may not have the bird numbers of some other areas, but the habitat work was impressive, along with the commitment by the members. Looked like there were enough birds to keep you busy, and the scenery can't be beat. Keep up the good work.
 
The seed I bought was not food plot seed but native grass mixes. Food plot seed they do a good job local chapters guys do care. Not down on PF in general alot of chapters are great:thumbsup: Seems like they lost their focus around here. Not to worry guys I got my woodduck houses built and ready to go and I'll have the best crp around to help the pheasant. Gov't going to get their moneys worth out of me.
 
captaincoot said:
The seed I bought was not food plot seed but native grass mixes. Food plot seed they do a good job local chapters guys do care. Not down on PF in general alot of chapters are great:thumbsup: Seems like they lost their focus around here. Not to worry guys I got my woodduck houses built and ready to go and I'll have the best crp around to help the pheasant. Gov't going to get their moneys worth out of me.
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Captaincoot, it sounds like you chapter needs someone like yourself to get in there and make a difference.:) They may need a habitat guy with knowledge on native grasses/habitat restoration. Spread the love baby:D
 
SDJIM said:
Sorry to see you are so down on Pheasants Forever. I can only speak for my local chapter but the food plot seed we give to our members is purchased from Milborn seeds in eastern South Dakota and is one of their custom mixes that you to can buy--its not old seed their giving away. In addition we give $5000 to the legal action fund for the 2011 Farm Bill/CRP. $1500 to the SDGF&P for nesting cover on a local Game Production Area(Public Hunting). $1000 for trees and woody cover on a 9000 acre walk-in area.(Public Hunting) $2000 for nesting cover on a new Game Production area.(Public Hunting) $3000 to the SD Youth Hunting Advertures-a group of local conservation groups that do Mentored youth hunts (53 kids last year and 75 this year--hopefully).

So at least our local PF chapter does lots more than just give away seed, and I can tell you WE DO CARE.

OH we are located in far Western SD--not that many pheasants here but we are working on changing that the best that we can

SDJIM
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I see that the largest contribution was $5000 to the legal action fund for the 2011 farn bill/ CRP. What is the desired affect of that contribution?
 
oldandnew said:
I saw a PF show featuring a far west SD chapter, probably yours, may not have the bird numbers of some other areas, but the habitat work was impressive, along with the commitment by the members. Looked like there were enough birds to keep you busy, and the scenery can't be beat. Keep up the good work.
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Where can one get the information on habitat improvements the far west sd PF is doing? There'
s a lot of public land out there that could use some help. I think the mobridge area is another one.
 
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haymaker said:
I see that the largest contribution was $5000 to the legal action fund for the 2011 farn bill/ CRP. What is the desired affect of that contribution?
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I think the increases of CRP funding that we've seen, "open lands" insensitive, no child left indoors programs, and so on.:) The funds are aiding PF reps to push for increased public lands and increased hunting opportunities.

I know many of their successes are included in articles in the PF mag. too.:)
 
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haymaker said:
I see that the largest contribution was $5000 to the legal action fund for the 2011 farn bill/ CRP. What is the desired affect of that contribution?
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It was for the lobby efforts to keep the Farm Bill friendly to conservation and in particular for Crp

We like everyone else need the Washington Lobby folks to see that we get a fair shake. I truly wish it were not so but it is a fact of life:)
 
wesslpointer said:
Where can one get the information on habitat improvements the far west sd PF is doing? There'
s a lot of public land out there that could use some help. I think the mobridge area is another one.
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If you can get your hands on the GF&P walk-in book then all you have to do is note the Game Production Areas and the very large walk in area north of Philip and we have done or are doing something on most of them west of a line from north of Philip to Kadoka to the west boundry of Shannon county to the Nebraska line, plus limited areas north of Rapid City near Orman Dam on the Belle Fouche river and even helping landowners to the north east of there.

It's a huge area but the places one can even do anything are limited so we try to do what we can--lots of travel--lots of work but the rewards are great.

We had lots of SNOW this winter so I guess we will see if our efforts have paid off---I sure hpoe so.
 
SDJIM said:
It was for the lobby efforts to keep the Farm Bill friendly to conservation and in particular for Crp

We like everyone else need the Washington Lobby folks to see that we get a fair shake. I truly wish it were not so but it is a fact of life:)
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I wonder if at a time when the USA is 13 -14 trillion in debt if the money that is raised locally would not be more effective spent locally. I am not saying that I know that I just wonder. Paying lobbyists to bring home the bacon when there is no bacon might not be worth it. Just thinking.
 
haymaker said:
I wonder if at a time when the USA is 13 -14 trillion in debt if the money that is raised locally would not be more effective spent locally. I am not saying that I know that I just wonder. Paying lobbyists to bring home the bacon when there is no bacon might not be worth it. Just thinking.
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Speaking of "bacon" my cousin a pig farmer in Ill says there township "road districk" works with PF to keep nesting cover in there ditches. You would think SD might want to look into it. Public hunting helps all the small towns and business in the area. AS hunters spend there money where they hunt "locally" .
 
wesslpointer said:
Speaking of "bacon" my cousin a pig farmer in Ill says there township "road districk" works with PF to keep nesting cover in there ditches.
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That's something we were working on for a very long time here in IL. The state still cuts the ditches, but waits until later in the growing season to help wildlife.
 
wesslpointer said:
Speaking of "bacon" my cousin a pig farmer in Ill says there township "road districk" works with PF to keep nesting cover in there ditches. You would think SD might want to look into it. Public hunting helps all the small towns and business in the area. AS hunters spend there money where they hunt "locally" .
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I am not aware of any ditches being mowed during nesting season. Maybe the tops or edges of the roads, but the ditches themselves are not cut till July 1st or later. They have to be cut by oct. 1st for snow reasons but nesting is long done by then.
 
haymaker said:
I am not aware of any ditches being mowed during nesting season. Maybe the tops or edges of the roads, but the ditches themselves are not cut till July 1st or later. They have to be cut by oct. 1st for snow reasons but nesting is long done by then.
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In my state if a land owner own es to the middle of the road its called "waste" and pays no tax on that right of way. Pheasants need "nee hi by april 15" for the best nesting. there must be a way a farmer can bale his "tax free" hay and still have nesting cover in april? Im old enouf to remember "nee hi by 4 July" for corn!:)
 
wesslpointer said:
In my state if a land owner own es to the middle of the road its called "waste" and pays no tax on that right of way. Pheasants need "nee hi by april 15" for the best nesting. there must be a way a farmer can bale his "tax free" hay and still have nesting cover in april? Im old enouf to remember "nee hi by 4 July" for corn!:)
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Our hiway ditches get cut for hay, but our township roads are too steep and narrow to do that. The top gets mowed the first of july and the rest gets mowed by the first of october. Knee high by april 15 this far north is not going to happen. Our pheasants nest in stuff that is a lot shorter than knee high. A lot of township ditches do not get mowed as well as they should and do provide nesting and road hunting. We do not pay tax on the hiways but we pay to the middle of the road on the township roads. So we pay where we get nothing but an additional expense, and we get a freeby on the hiways.

Maybe that is fair.
 
haymaker said:
Our hiway ditches get cut for hay, but our township roads are too steep and narrow to do that. The top gets mowed the first of july and the rest gets mowed by the first of october. Knee high by april 15 this far north is not going to happen. Our pheasants nest in stuff that is a lot shorter than knee high. A lot of township ditches do not get mowed as well as they should and do provide nesting and road hunting. We do not pay tax on the hiways but we pay to the middle of the road on the township roads. So we pay where we get nothing but an additional expense, and we get a freeby on the hiways.

Maybe that is fair.
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Its not fair to tax you on any public road right away! That said it "could happen" if farmers left nesting cover in the fall "oct cutting" so it was there in the spring. Wouldn't the state and local towns economies be better off from the hunters revenue than the little hay the farmers get!
 
wesslpointer said:
Its not fair to tax you on any public road right away! That said it "could happen" if farmers left nesting cover in the fall "oct cutting" so it was there in the spring. Wouldn't the state and local towns economies be better off from the hunters revenue than the little hay the farmers get!
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The hay that is cut in the fall is not baled that just lays there. I don't know if the local towns would benefit, possibly. But if the land owner actually lives out there and if we have a winter like this one, the landowners snow removal bill would be significantly higher. Snow removal is a big deal in a winter like this one. We are not that short on nesting area that I would risk being trapped by snow or pay the extra to open my roads. I have about about 220 acres of nesting in addition to CRP. The 12 acres of township road ditches that I have are not going to make that big of a difference. Besides it is a law that ditches have to be mowed and there is a good reason for that law. If we get to the point that our pheasants depend on ditches, we will no longer be the pheasant capital.
 
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