Pheasant/ Quail forever

[quail hound]

I don't see any reason why much couldn't or shouldn't be done to help quail and woodcock in LA. Who knows maybe a organization like QUWF would be more willing to dive in and turn some dirt to help than QF.

 

[Preston1]

My cousin found a small wild colony of pheasants forty years ago near Bunkie, Louisiana. He also found a pheasant nest in a cotton field. There are still a few wild pheasants in the flat rice field country between Lake Charles and Lafayette. The link gives some back ground information on the pheasants, the article talks about wild trapped pheasants, those birds came from wild pheasants along the Texas coast (south of I-10) rice field country. See article below:

http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/hunting/programs/small-game-program

Traveling throughout the mid south I see enormous areas that I believe would support a wild pheasant population. Those rice field area near Stuttgart, Ark. and other open farming areas of Tennessee and Kentucky.

As a member of PF off and on for almost thirty years I have never known PF to show any interest in expanding the wild pheasant range.

I think wild pheasants can expand into other areas but not with the tame 60 year generations in the pen non-alert pheasants that are commercially available. The average citizen can't go out and trap wild pheasants. We need new authentic wild blood (genes) from China to give to the commercial breeders to produce a wilder and more predator wary pen raised pheasant.
The F1 (first generation removed from the wild world) predator alert would have a much greater chance of surviving the tons of predators than the tame 60 generations in the pen tame pheasants that are commercially available today.

The wild mallard ducks in North America came from China around ten thousands years ago. Every year thousands of wild mallard ducks from China and Russia (some over the Arctic Circle) fly over and cross with our mallards, maintaining a wild population.

If we want to maintain a strong wild and alert pheasant population and expand the pheasant range we need new wild pheasant blood from China.

 

[Upland4Ever]

Thank you for your help.

 

[1pheas4]

As a member of PF off and on for almost thirty years I have never known PF to show any interest in expanding the wild pheasant range.

Pres1, it would be up to a handful local people putting effort into starting a chapter in that area, then moving forward working with other states to bring wild stock in after funds are raised. Nat'l PF has little to do with what goes on--on the ground. Each PF county chapter does as it sees fit. Until some good soul decides to start a PF chapter in that area, nothing will be done in terms of habitat or releasing wild stock as they have done in parts of PA.

Anyway, nat'l PF doesn't really show much interest in taking steps to remove the pheasant from MN (their home state!) invasive species list let alone bringing wild stock in from other countries. I've just about given up trying to remove it due to a lack in communication over this issue for whatever reason

 

[AtTheMurph]

My cousin found a small wild colony of pheasants forty years ago near Bunkie, Louisiana. He also found a pheasant nest in a cotton field. There are still a few wild pheasants in the flat rice field country between Lake Charles and Lafayette. The link gives some back ground information on the pheasants, the article talks about wild trapped pheasants, those birds came from wild pheasants along the Texas coast (south of I-10) rice field country. See article below:

http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/hunting/programs/small-game-program

Traveling throughout the mid south I see enormous areas that I believe would support a wild pheasant population. Those rice field area near Stuttgart, Ark. and other open farming areas of Tennessee and Kentucky.

As a member of PF off and on for almost thirty years I have never known PF to show any interest in expanding the wild pheasant range.

I think wild pheasants can expand into other areas but not with the tame 60 year generations in the pen non-alert pheasants that are commercially available. The average citizen can't go out and trap wild pheasants. We need new authentic wild blood (genes) from China to give to the commercial breeders to produce a wilder and more predator wary pen raised pheasant.
The F1 (first generation removed from the wild world) predator alert would have a much greater chance of surviving the tons of predators than the tame 60 generations in the pen tame pheasants that are commercially available today.

The wild mallard ducks in North America came from China around ten thousands years ago. Every year thousands of wild mallard ducks from China and Russia (some over the Arctic Circle) fly over and cross with our mallards, maintaining a wild population.

If we want to maintain a strong wild and alert pheasant population and expand the pheasant range we need new wild pheasant blood from China.

I don't think I agree with your conclusion. Why would we need new blood from China and China not need new blood from us?

I think the logic you are suing is just as easily turned around on that isolated population in China. I'm not even sure there are more wild birds in China than there are in North America. Anyone have any idea?

 

[1pheas4]

I don't think I agree with your conclusion. Why would we need new blood from China and China not need new blood from us?

I think the logic you are suing is just as easily turned around on that isolated population in China. I'm not even sure there are more wild birds in China than there are in North America. Anyone have any idea?

Check this site out AttheMurph. http://www.birdnet.cn/showtopic.aspx?topicid=299544 (for some reason the photos are not loading on this site today. Might have to look again tomorrow) There's pages of wild "true" pheasants from all over the map in China and elsewhere.

Wild pheasant populations in China and the middle east have not been exposed to the generational pen reared pheasants as our birds here in N.America have been exposed too. Therefore, pheasants from China and the Middle east are truly pure, truly wild. In other words, the best gene pool in the world.

Here's another site from China. Notice the white patch under their wattles. http://blog1.poco.cn/myBlogDetail-htx-id-5459925-userid-6419191-pri--n-0.xhtml

The "wilder" and closer to F1 genes the pen bird is, the better it's likely-hood of survival and reproduction in the wild. What Pres1 is saying is our wild stock which has crossed over and over again with 40 to 60 generations of pen reared birds can use a boost of wild blood.

 

[oldandnew]

You can't leave making dog food to Chinese. Sure they "sell", wild raised birds, that some chinese peasants put into a cage 3 generations ago, and fed melamine. The rice fields of SE Missouri, the scantest cover you will ever see on the mortal earth, has a huntable population of Korean strain pheasants introduced over 40 years ago. Lousiana has a huntable population of Frankolin grouse.

 

[Preston1]

Look carefully at the China pheasant photos in the link provided by 1pheas4, these photos were taken by high resolution cameras, meaning the authentic wild pheasants are not easy to get close to, that is a sign of alertness. Secondly note the light yellow iris (eyes) on both the authentic wild hens and roosters, that is a sign of truly wild genes:

http://blog1.poco.cn/myBlogDetail-htx-id-5459925-userid-6419191-pri--n-0.xhtml
http://wntvapple.blog.163.com/blog/static/16586197020101097222853/


I am a big supported of wilder and alert strains of pen raised pheasants because thats how most of the wild pheasants got started in this country.
But after 70 to 60 years of inbreeding and living in pens the tame and docile gene takes over.

Look at the You Tube link below also provided by 1pheas4. Note how docile the pheasants are, also note that after many many generations in the pen both hens and rooster don't have the consistent yellow iris that is noticed in the authentic wild pheasants in China. See link below:

http://youtu.be/csXEsb6h--A

Those birds are pretty they look just like wild ringnecks but have a poor chance of survival in new pheasant country, with all the bad predators around.
The authentic wild blood is only needed to enhance survival from chick to adult and to get the adults to reproduce more baby pheasants.