Most reasonable lodge wild bird hunting

BrittanyGuy

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I'm 65 and never had a really good pheasant experience of 50 or more flushes in a day. I have always hunted in Minnesota and if you get 6 flushes in a day it's spectacular. What lodges in SD or ND do you suggest that is reasonable for wild birds maybe on self- guided hunts but in an area with reserved spots for wild pheasants where 50 flushes is possible. Or. Is this unrealistic? What price per day is reasonable? I have a brittany 7 yrs old and I figure it's now or never.
 
What price per day would you consider reasonable? Rates seem to increase annually. I've seen places that about 10 years ago were charging 100-150 per day and are now 450-500.
 
I'm 65 and never had a really good pheasant experience of 50 or more flushes in a day. I have always hunted in Minnesota and if you get 6 flushes in a day it's spectacular. What lodges in SD or ND do you suggest that is reasonable for wild birds maybe on self- guided hunts but in an area with reserved spots for wild pheasants where 50 flushes is possible. Or. Is this unrealistic? What price per day is reasonable? I have a brittany 7 yrs old and I figure it's now or never.
You're hunting the wrong areas, unless you're only counting roosters.
 
Brit-- I'll attempt to address your original post. Pay no attention to the naysayers who decry lodges/outfitters. Sometimes, in some circumstances (like yours) they have their place. Before I begin, let me say my son and I hunted hard for 4 days in late October, on private land (NOT a preserve) and were rewarded with limits for each of us each day, on some very wild birds. That's my preference...BUT if time is short and you want to hunt, there are alternatives.

1. We've recently hunted in NW Iowa, on a private farm that is a "preserve". Shooting is certain, but a limit is not. I assure you, the birds flew wild and we could miss them there just as easily as wild ones. We hunted CRP-like grass, sorghum and milo strips, brushy ditches, etc. The price/day was $350 and that included a "guide" (the owner) who did NOT carry a gun, and a dog (we had our own so his stayed home) and the owner would provide a bird cleaning area. The price also included lodging in a remodeled farmhouse with satellite TV, modern appliances and a kitchen where we did our own cooking. Bedrooms were clean and spacious. For $350/day/gun, this seemed pretty reasonable.

2. We've hunted in a preserve (most of these places tell you there is good enough habitat that wild birds mix in with the preserve birds); that may/may not be true. We were "day hunters" at a cost of $325/gun. They provided lunch but lodging and other meals were on us. They offered large grass field, standing corn, short cedar/pine habitat, milo etc. they took us to the fields in a short bus. We used our own dog who is a hell of a lot better than theirs, at least when we were there. Once or twice, another guy hunted with us--no big deal. You are of course expected to tip the "guide". They provide bird cleaning facilities. They also have 3 day hunts where all is furnished and you stay in their "lodge"-basically a bunk house.

3. About 150 miles from my home, there is a preserve which offers day hunting but also has sleeping facilities. This is basically a decent place and a good place to give your dog some work without the 700 mile drive west. (BUT I would greatly prefer the West if time/finances/etc. permits!) They'll put out 6 birds for $225 and you can use their guide and dog. I use neither. The people are friendly; they offer a "free" lunch--burgers, chips, beans, beer/cokes, etc. They have a dozen or so large fields and it is not a lead-pipe cinch you'll find all the birds. Mostly, they are hard flyers--occasionally your dog will catch them on the ground. Part of the reason I hunt there is that we have a friend 2 miles away from the preserve with private land and wild birds and we hunt there for free. The preserve also offers sporting clays, group shoots, and a Club you can join which gets you a modest discount on the above. I clean our own birds but they'll do it for you for $6/bird. Advantage to the above is that obviously you could hit this place 3-4 times/Fall for the cost of 1 trip to SoDak.

The above is just a taste of what's out there--none of it gourmet. You can have that if you want to spend $4-5,000, example Brown's Lodge at Gettysburg SD or 6X Outfitters in Montana. For a real good overview of the current state of US pheasant hunting, I recommend Steve Smith's book "America's Bird-The Many Faces of Pheasant Hunting". Get your dog on some birds--and good luck.
 
Brit-- I'll attempt to address your original post. Pay no attention to the naysayers who decry lodges/outfitters. Sometimes, in some circumstances (like yours) they have their place. Before I begin, let me say my son and I hunted hard for 4 days in late October, on private land (NOT a preserve) and were rewarded with limits for each of us each day, on some very wild birds. That's my preference...BUT if time is short and you want to hunt, there are alternatives.

1. We've recently hunted in NW Iowa, on a private farm that is a "preserve". Shooting is certain, but a limit is not. I assure you, the birds flew wild and we could miss them there just as easily as wild ones. We hunted CRP-like grass, sorghum and milo strips, brushy ditches, etc. The price/day was $350 and that included a "guide" (the owner) who did NOT carry a gun, and a dog (we had our own so his stayed home) and the owner would provide a bird cleaning area. The price also included lodging in a remodeled farmhouse with satellite TV, modern appliances and a kitchen where we did our own cooking. Bedrooms were clean and spacious. For $350/day/gun, this seemed pretty reasonable.

2. We've hunted in a preserve (most of these places tell you there is good enough habitat that wild birds mix in with the preserve birds); that may/may not be true. We were "day hunters" at a cost of $325/gun. They provided lunch but lodging and other meals were on us. They offered large grass field, standing corn, short cedar/pine habitat, milo etc. they took us to the fields in a short bus. We used our own dog who is a hell of a lot better than theirs, at least when we were there. Once or twice, another guy hunted with us--no big deal. You are of course expected to tip the "guide". They provide bird cleaning facilities. They also have 3 day hunts where all is furnished and you stay in their "lodge"-basically a bunk house.

3. About 150 miles from my home, there is a preserve which offers day hunting but also has sleeping facilities. This is basically a decent place and a good place to give your dog some work without the 700 mile drive west. (BUT I would greatly prefer the West if time/finances/etc. permits!) They'll put out 6 birds for $225 and you can use their guide and dog. I use neither. The people are friendly; they offer a "free" lunch--burgers, chips, beans, beer/cokes, etc. They have a dozen or so large fields and it is not a lead-pipe cinch you'll find all the birds. Mostly, they are hard flyers--occasionally your dog will catch them on the ground. Part of the reason I hunt there is that we have a friend 2 miles away from the preserve with private land and wild birds and we hunt there for free. The preserve also offers sporting clays, group shoots, and a Club you can join which gets you a modest discount on the above. I clean our own birds but they'll do it for you for $6/bird. Advantage to the above is that obviously you could hit this place 3-4 times/Fall for the cost of 1 trip to SoDak.

The above is just a taste of what's out there--none of it gourmet. You can have that if you want to spend $4-5,000, example Brown's Lodge at Gettysburg SD or 6X Outfitters in Montana. For a real good overview of the current state of US pheasant hunting, I recommend Steve Smith's book "America's Bird-The Many Faces of Pheasant Hunting". Get your dog on some birds--and good luck.
Some are early adopter, some are not.
 
SD Outfitters are mostly catering to larger groups or combined groups. Rare is the outfitter that offers self-guided hunts on wild birds for 1 - 3 people. The economics are probably just not there. They want to have groups of 8 - 20 walk a few spots, kill their limit and on to the next day.

The trick then is to find landowners that allow day access but on a limited basis as not to over pressure or over harvest and/or require supplemental release of hatchery birds.

Off topic comment: Hatchery birds can turn pretty wild if they survive the first exposure to hunters, predators (mammal and bird), and learn to find cover in poor weather.
 
I have never hunted at a private lodge.

I have hunt pheasants in four states (MN, ND, SD, and IA).

I have had 50 - 100+ flush days in three of those states (not IA - only hunted there a day or two because I got an upland license that carried to fall with my turkey permit).

Most of those 50 - 100+ flush days occur when you push a big flock out of some type of cover. Most of the birds are safe because they are getting up in groups. It is not like your dog(s) had 50 separate points. One time three of us snuck up to a woody cover in a high wind afternoon (30mph, gusting well over 40) ... the birds popcorned out of the cover and we killed our 9 roosters ... dogs went in with us on heal and did a nice job retrieving. Fun - yes, of course ... but not really my cup of tea to do all that often.

I like days where there are 3 - 7 solid points per hour of hunting. Sometimes it is a single and sometimes it is a small group 2 - 6 birds. If you are lucky, it is a pair of roosters, and you drop them both.

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I'm 65 and never had a really good pheasant experience of 50 or more flushes in a day. I have always hunted in Minnesota and if you get 6 flushes in a day it's spectacular. What lodges in SD or ND do you suggest that is reasonable for wild birds maybe on self- guided hunts but in an area with reserved spots for wild pheasants where 50 flushes is possible. Or. Is this unrealistic? What price per day is reasonable? I have a brittany 7 yrs old and I figure it's now or never.

What area in MN are you typically hunting? There's WPAs that when hunted correctly, offer plenty of chances to see 20+ birds, even 50 in the right conditions this year.
 
After re-reading my comment, I realize it both didn't address your question and was not friendly. My apologies. I cannot be of much help regarding lodges, as I've never stayed or hunted at one. However, if you're only getting 6 flushes in a day of MN hunting, I do stand by that you're in the wrong areas, or wrong cover type. It takes some steps and windshield time, but if you start at 9am and focus on the correct region and habitat type, a benchmark for the areas I spend my time is a minimum of 20+ pointed birds per all-day hunt. If you get lucky and the first few are roosters, then maybe that number is much lower because you're done early. If you count all birds seen while in the act of hunting, that number goes up substantially.
 
SD Outfitters are mostly catering to larger groups or combined groups. Rare is the outfitter that offers self-guided hunts on wild birds for 1 - 3 people. The economics are probably just not there. They want to have groups of 8 - 20 walk a few spots, kill their limit and on to the next day.

The trick then is to find landowners that allow day access but on a limited basis as not to over pressure or over harvest and/or require supplemental release of hatchery birds.

Off topic comment: Hatchery birds can turn pretty wild if they survive the first exposure to hunters, predators (mammal and bird), and learn to find cover in poor weather.
Agreed, you will have to luck into someone willing to burn up land for a single guy.

Years ago I found a couple places like that on Craigslist. Had three experiences. Two good ones that I made multiple trips to over the years and one that lasted about two hours after I figured out he didn’t have any ground and he was just taking us trespassing. I doubt I will ever see flushes like I did in those two spots again. Had multiple flushes of 500-1000 birds out of some trees and cattails in December between 2008-2015 or so. Cool to see that many in one spot

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I have never hunted at a private lodge.

I have hunt pheasants in four states (MN, ND, SD, and IA).

I have had 50 - 100+ flush days in three of those states (not IA - only hunted there a day or two because I got an upland license that carried to fall with my turkey permit).

Most of those 50 - 100+ flush days occur when you push a big flock out of some type of cover. Most of the birds are safe because they are getting up in groups. It is not like your dog(s) had 50 separate points. One time three of us snuck up to a woody cover in a high wind afternoon (30mph, gusting well over 40) ... the birds popcorned out of the cover and we killed our 9 roosters ... dogs went in with us on heal and did a nice job retrieving. Fun - yes, of course ... but not really my cup of tea to do all that often.

I like days where there are 3 - 7 solid points per hour of hunting. Sometimes it is a single and sometimes it is a small group 2 - 6 birds. If you are lucky, it is a pair of roosters, and you drop them both.

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What is the dogs name, boy or girl?
 
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