Kansas Governor's Pheasant Hunt
- Thread starter KansasGsp
- Start date
kansasbrittany
Banned
It is a nice thought but I don't think I'll be voting for Brownback this year. In fact, Tom Holland will probably be the ONLY democrat getting my vote this election season.
Brownback history
Hopefully Brownback has learned a few things over the years. I am cautioned by a Brownback incident which occured back in 1979. As we all remember times were terrible for farmers at that time, a long time customer/farmer/friend of mine, facing serious questions of survival, was refered to Brownback as an attorney, who understood farm issues. after a short conversation Brownback urged him to sell out the entire operation, or file bankruptcy, but advised him that either way, he would not be farming in 5 years. Customer went home, decided to tough it out, didn't file bankruptcy. Since then he has doubled his land holdings and increased his net worth by $3,000,000.00 more or less. This is a life long Kansas republican, suppose he's voting for Brownback? Brownback will probably use the money stripped out of the Kansas state contribution to public schools this year to fund the hunt. I don't have the priviledge of votng in Kansas, I have my own set of "in touch" poloticians to vote for in Missouri.
Hopefully Brownback has learned a few things over the years. I am cautioned by a Brownback incident which occured back in 1979. As we all remember times were terrible for farmers at that time, a long time customer/farmer/friend of mine, facing serious questions of survival, was refered to Brownback as an attorney, who understood farm issues. after a short conversation Brownback urged him to sell out the entire operation, or file bankruptcy, but advised him that either way, he would not be farming in 5 years. Customer went home, decided to tough it out, didn't file bankruptcy. Since then he has doubled his land holdings and increased his net worth by $3,000,000.00 more or less. This is a life long Kansas republican, suppose he's voting for Brownback? Brownback will probably use the money stripped out of the Kansas state contribution to public schools this year to fund the hunt. I don't have the priviledge of votng in Kansas, I have my own set of "in touch" poloticians to vote for in Missouri.
onpoint
Active member
As long as he's a guy that hunts and fishes all the time, not just on opening day when the media is swarming him. Then it's nothing more then a photo opt. That's our current governor. Don't try and BS me, I have hunted my whole life and know the real thing when I see it.
Also, you need someone who cares about habitat. You don't need someone tied to big Ag and other special interests, who is in favor of till, ditch, plow, pave, build, develop, Etc. There has to be some ground that is off limits to that stuff.
Also, you need someone who cares about habitat. You don't need someone tied to big Ag and other special interests, who is in favor of till, ditch, plow, pave, build, develop, Etc. There has to be some ground that is off limits to that stuff.
Last edited:
BritChaser
Well-known member
Do We want Kansas to be Pheasant Famous?
Kansas has a good if limited reputation as a pheasant hunting destination. I question whether I want it to have the rep that SD has which seems to be Brownback's goal. I think Kansas is in a real sweet spot right now on pheasants and any further commercialization would be a net negative for the hunting experience.
Kansas has a good if limited reputation as a pheasant hunting destination. I question whether I want it to have the rep that SD has which seems to be Brownback's goal. I think Kansas is in a real sweet spot right now on pheasants and any further commercialization would be a net negative for the hunting experience.
onpoint
Active member
NElabaholic
Member
I have to agree with Britchaser, while I know that it would bring more money into the state with NR hunters I don't think I would like the effects on the hunting. There are already numerous properties that have went from private land that you could ask to hunt to private land that is leased to the Johnson County big wigs for 2 weekends out of the year. While this isn't a huge issue at the moment, I have a feeling that the more commercialized we would become the less opportunities there would be for the "Average Joe". Just my .02 though 
I have a feeling that the more commercialized we would become the less opportunities there would be for the "Average Joe". Just my .02 though
You are probably correct.
kansasbrittany
Banned
I teeter back and forth between the visions. I imagine how great it would be to live here and guide on a large commercial operation (may be my only hope at making a living in the outdoors someday). However, as a KS resident hunter, I'm not sure I want KS to turn into the next SD in terms of pheasant commercializaton. Brithchaser is very wise beyond my years I know. Thanks for your input Sir, I think your way of thinking is more accurate than mine.
hunterofbirds
Member
just my opinion
As an out of state hunter, I have great appreciation for what Kansas has to offer in terms of a variety of game and affordable ability to hunt across the state with all the public and WIHA lands. I also enjoy the challenge of doing it yourself. It would be a very sad day indeed if it went the way of SD, TX and other states where the land is locked up in leases. Next thing that'd follow would be "seeding" fields with pen raised birds to keep the paying customers happy.
As an out of state hunter, I have great appreciation for what Kansas has to offer in terms of a variety of game and affordable ability to hunt across the state with all the public and WIHA lands. I also enjoy the challenge of doing it yourself. It would be a very sad day indeed if it went the way of SD, TX and other states where the land is locked up in leases. Next thing that'd follow would be "seeding" fields with pen raised birds to keep the paying customers happy.
A chilling thought. I hope Kansas remains the fair chase open opportunity state as well. I just can't fool myself with the preserve experience, rather hunt all year for a handful of birds than cheapen the experience. Afterall, we call it "hunting ", not shooting. Lodges like U-guide's I think are fine. Like to go someday, but all your guaranteed is a comfortable bed, and access to some managed habitat, that somebody busted their butt to provide. You still have to strategize, and execute to shoot some birds who know the grounds intimately, make mistakes and you go home empty, but wiser, as it should be. Lodges, on the Orvis, or Beretta list, with wine and cheese bars, and featuring pheasant,chuckar, and quail pens in their ads, don't do much for me.
kansasbrittany
Banned
I have to agree with Britchaser, while I know that it would bring more money into the state with NR hunters I don't think I would like the effects on the hunting. There are already numerous properties that have went from private land that you could ask to hunt to private land that is leased to the Johnson County big wigs for 2 weekends out of the year. While this isn't a huge issue at the moment, I have a feeling that the more commercialized we would become the less opportunities there would be for the "Average Joe". Just my .02 though
I believe you're correct as well. I dream of living in state that puts pheasants first. The way I've noticed the world working is the more valuable a resource becomes, the more it is protected. However, if it protected for only those with enough $, I suppose the notion would lose its luster. SD still has decent public opportunities b/c they have a strong bird population. The value of pheasant hunting in that state creates more of a demand for habitat and more habitat = more birds. Either way it goes down in KS, I'm going to try my damnest to be a part of it
cheesy
Well-known member
I have to agree with Britchaser, while I know that it would bring more money into the state with NR hunters I don't think I would like the effects on the hunting. There are already numerous properties that have went from private land that you could ask to hunt to private land that is leased to the Johnson County big wigs for 2 weekends out of the year. While this isn't a huge issue at the moment, I have a feeling that the more commercialized we would become the less opportunities there would be for the "Average Joe". Just my .02 though
+1
While I fully respect a landowners rights to do whatever he wants on his property, more commercialization wouldn't be good for the Average Joe. Don't get me started on my deer hunting (or lack of opportunity) on the family farm for that very reason.
BritChaser
Well-known member
Thank you, sir, for your kind comments. I can only hope that they are even fractionally true.
BritChaser
Well-known member
I thought this was a interesting point from a Kansas.com blog post:
"There’s also no way Kansas can currently compete with South Dakota for quality pheasant hunting. The state has more natural pheasant habitat and Dakota landowners have been creating more habitat for years because the birds are such an important part of their economy. But again, it’s good to see a candidate at least giving the Kansas outdoors some serious thought.
We’ll see what happens down the road if Brownback’s elected."
And this point from ljworld.com:
"Brownback said South Dakota receives more than $220 million of economic activity in pheasant hunting alone, while the impact of all hunting in Kansas is about $270 million."
We’ll see what happens down the road if Brownback’s elected."
And this point from ljworld.com:
"Brownback said South Dakota receives more than $220 million of economic activity in pheasant hunting alone, while the impact of all hunting in Kansas is about $270 million."
Boys I have to agree with all of you. Best thing I ever bought was a lifetime hunting and fishing license for the great state of Kansas. SD may be a pheasant mecca but Kansas still holds my heart. If we start planting birds then we lose wild Kansas. I may have been transplanted to Missouri but still call myself a Kansan and when I tell my wife I am going huntin she knows that means Kansas.
BritChaser
Well-known member
Non-Resident Likes What We Kansans Like about Our Hunting
Thanks for speaking up for the great hunting situation we have NOW in Kansas, my home place on the Great Plains.
Thanks for speaking up for the great hunting situation we have NOW in Kansas, my home place on the Great Plains.
ncpheasant
New member
As someone that has watched the commercialization of pheasant hunting progress first hand in SD and the effects it has not only on the economic factors the hunters (res and non-res) face, but on the life long friendships that it has destoryed (ranchers that live next to one another). I can tell you without a doubt this is not something Kansas wants to let happen. I am moving my hunting to Kansas to get away from just these sort of issues. Don't get me wrong I am all for progress, however sometimes progess for the sake of progress is a step backwards. And government progress without citizen input is called taxation.