Honest opinions wanted

[only a pointer]

lmao

Now you have to come up with a name for your new breed. How about "Grainfield Pointer" or "Gove Setter" a la "Brittany" named for the province in France where that breed was developed?

i will take a grainfield pointer please! lmao! this thread is ridiculous laughing more and more on this one now that was funny brit (grainfield pointer)

 

[moellermd]

Why purposely make a mixed breeding when the dog world already has more accidents, than it needs.

So why is purposely mixing breeds an accident and mating purebreds not an accident? Again my beef is not with the cross-breeding. To say they you can not get a good dog by cross breeding is counter-intuitive to what we know about breeding. The issues is marketing and placement. You can have the same problems placing purebreds as mixes. Granted most guys, me included, look to purebreds because you have a greater chance of knowing what you are getting.

 

[Dakotazeb]

Gove County Britts,

I went back and looked a some of your previous posts. Back in May '09 you started a thread on how to correct your 2 year old Viszla from being gun shy. In the same post you stated that she had not hunted the previous season because the neighbors dog got into your pen and bred her. Now we know how this union happened.

Look, if you had some good pups out of this accidental breeding and were able to place them all that's great. But please end it there. Please don't think you are going to start a new breed based on this one accidental breeding. It just won't work. Be happy with the dog you have and leave it at that. I would encourage you, and your neighbor, to seriously consider having both dogs fixed. There are plenty of dogs out there so if you need another dog in the future there will be one available from a reputable breeder.

Dakotazeb

 

[mnmthunting]

Do all breeders purebred pups get adopted?

I'm just asking

 

[BritChaser]

Humor not Minded, but Not Intended

i will take a grainfield pointer please! lmao! this thread is ridiculous laughing more and more on this one now that was funny brit (grainfield pointer)

I am serious in suggesting a name for the new breed if the Gove County Britts people are serious, as they seem to be, about developing a new breed. Ever heard of Elhew Pointers as advertised in the PF Journal? That "Elhew" is Wehle spelled backward, Wehle being the fellow who developed the Elhew line. Grainfield is a town in Gove County where the Gove County Britts people live. If they decide to try to develop a new breed -- and why not? new breeds are being developed all the time -- why not name it after a geographic locale as was done for Brittanys, English and Irish setters, German shepherds, French poodles, Boston terriers, Portugese water dogs, Chihuahuas, etc.?

 

[tmrichardson]

What I am not seeing is any explanation as to why you think an existing breed can't get the job done. Not EP's and Visla's--but any of the other breeds.

I think what we have is a case where you bought dogs from two breeds that weren't really well suited for you in the first place, although with a little care you could have found a pointer breeding that doesn't run that big. And there are some hotter visla's if you look into the field trial bred lines. In any case,now with the accidental cross they look better.

Another huge problem with your idea is consistency. One of the biggest problems with wildly different breedings is the total crapshoot in what you get. Put it this way--the litter you just had might be perfect. The next one out of the same dogs might just be clingy and soft and run way too far out!

Even when working in the same breed, breeders should carefully list the attributes of the two dogs in the proposed pairing and then go back and investigate the dogs in their lines before them as well. The objective if you want to duplicate the same thing should be to insure most all attributes are solid and carry through to pups in breedings going back a ways. If you want to change something, the same thing holds true except for the attribute you want to change, which should come out of a line known for being strong in that attribute and throwing true.

This kind of thing really requires ruthless culling to pull off, and that's IF you have done your homework. When this has been done well in the past people involved have had time, money, and the will to cull ruthlessly and only keep those dogs that show promise. And to determine if they have promise, usually the pups are kept for a year or so before being culled. Now you could spay/neuter them and give them up as pets at that time instead of killing them, but what kind of market is there for cross breed year old pups?

 

[Gove County Britts]

tmrichardson its not the fact that neither breed was suitable in fact the english pointer was a field trial dog and the vizla came from trial bloodlines the fact is is it happened and now we are experimenting with it and as for culling yes it is a nasty job but sometimes a person has to do less than pleasant jobs it just comes with it .

 

[Dakotazeb]

This thread is making me ill and thus I am "Unsubscribing" from it.

There is no fix for "Stupid".

 

[kansashunting]

"we successfully mated a Bulldog and a Shih Tzu. we called it a Bull-ShiTz!"

Basically we are pleading with you. Let your accidental fluke end with this one litter.

Like everyone has said it takes years to develop a new breed and many times it takes several breeds to create one. you can't just breed a cat and a mouse and get an animal that likes both and decide that you are gonna continue to breed that animal to make ever lasting peace between cats and mice.

Professional breeders select certain dogs to breed together for desired traits and hope that just a few, if not only one pup, possess the combined expected traits.

There was no specific reason you choose this female and this male to mate. No specific desired traits that either parent possessed except the typical traits their breeds have. It was by accident, and you stated this in your original post, that these dogs mated. Now either that is just poor responsibility or just total neglect. You just happened to get lucky that they ended up to be good dogs, like most dogs are, and are able to hunt reasonably well.

But you're not concerned about bettering the 'dog world' you're thinking about lining your pocket. You think developing a new breed would be fun and interesting when really you have no idea what you are doing. You see the dollar signs go up when one of your buddies sees that you have a new 'mutt' no one has seen before that can hunt. Just give up now buddy. Before you make an even bigger mistake.

"Please, spay and neuter your pets"

 

[Dcup]

I have a little known french pointer pure bred that has a hankering for eating toilet paper and q-tips. Could somebody please tell me what ancient breed this dog was crossed with so I can have someone to blame his pathetic behavior on? The Charmin guy loves me so maybe it was his fault.

I have a purebred GSP and she loves the quilted northern baby on the package. That is, until she eats him.

Now how can a person actually say there is not a better dog anywhere, when they have never seen that many, I here this often,My dog is the best in the world, but when someone makes this comment, I ask Compared to what? How many hundreds of dogs has one seen run.? The best dogs can't be compared to a couple buddies dogs or the 5 we previously owned. If a accident were to happen to me, I would be the first to say that I was not being responsible of my dog at that time. It should not be that big of a deal to take care of a dog for a couple weeks to make sure this does not happen.
I personaly know people that have both Breeds discussed, and they do not have the issues of the original post. Sounds more like an individual problem or training issue to me.
I would ask anyone to call around to the pounds and shelters to see how many of these dogs end up there, and see what happens to them, also talk to the people on the front line that have to put them down every day, and see what they think of misfit breeding. There is a ad for free labradoodles in the convince store here now. I doubt they will all find a loving home. Last year I commented on a litter of 1/2 breed labs that were dumped out on a lake with some straw, all died,Brained news. Sure there is a few that end up in good homes. But to sit here and tell our selves this is or even think this is a good breeding practice is shocking. I would think that it is common séance that it is Not.
I don't believe for a second that it is just pet owners that would be against this, sportsmen, breeders, vets, and any rescue or shelter related folks or foster homes would believe this is not something that should be going on. Except in a legitimate case of something truly done with integrity.
In 30+ years of dog ownership, breeding and several females I am proud to say there has never been an accident.:thumbsup: Instead of asking the few here, I think if the US as a whole were asked there would be a overwhelming # of people with a NO vote. I am also sure there are plenty of folks on here not willing to get involved in this thread because of how easy it will be for this to go south. I think my posts should come across civil, but some may not find it that easy. Like I said this is one of those touchy subjects. And some will think best to avoid.

This is a good post. Just think about all of the dogs that end up in the pound and have to get put down because nobody wants to take a chance on them. Now we are talking about mixing a breed...on accident, but clearly trying to make some money on it. You might as well take your bitch and let her give birth in the pound because that is where these pups will end up.

This is disgusting.