Designer Pheasant hunters

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This thread's got it all! :10sign: So far it's got:

Designer Hunters vs. Real Hunters
Pay Hunting vs. Freelance Hunting
Resident Hunters vs. Out-of-State Hunters
Wild birds vs. Released birds
Trucks/SUV's vs. Cars

It's only a matter time until it gets around to:

Early Season vs. Late Season
Group Hunts vs. Solo Hunts
Flushers vs. Pointers
Double-guns vs. Semi-autos

Stay tuned... :beer:
 
Early Season vs. Late Season
Who cares as long as your into the birds.
Group Hunts vs. Solo Hunts
solo or small group of 2-4 for me
Flushers vs. Pointers
pointers
Double-guns vs. Semi-autos
pumps

Beer or no beer
Course beer and some distilled goods after the hunt.
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Well JMB I never could trust your late season hunts, with pointers, hunting by yourself, with your fancy orange outfit for your dog. By the way you are ruining my sport with your high falutin attitude.
 
D-Man said:
Sounds to me, your real issue isn't with the hunters paying, but with the landowner charging. His land, his choice. If I could charge someone to hunt my land, I'd do it also. Of course, if you as a taxpayer would like to subsidize my land and I'd get a break on my taxes, I'd let you hunt it also.
Maybe you should contact your state reps and get them to purchase more land for public use. Or maybe hunters could pay an extra $5 on their license used to purchase more public land. I can't see blaming the landowners for making a buck on their property or the hunter for paying for the priveledge to hunt it. You can be upset about it but, you can't blame them.
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"Sounds to me, your real issue isn't with the hunters paying, but with the landowner charging."

Well, it's the person's that come from cities far off that control the willing to pay part. That intern sets the pace and belief by many land owners. Show me the money baby. Just about every private place you stop at, the standard belief is at least a $100.00 a day per gun. Who created this situation? Who created this belief by these land owners? It wasn't the local Joe Smith who works at the feed mill or plows snow for the rural city. It was the truck loads of hunters from far off who brought their flash some money style of permission to hunt. You will find very few locals in rural areas willing or able to pay a $100.00 a day. A $100.00 is like 2 days pay for many of them. That is needed for food, clothing, gas, etc. for their family. A $100.00 worth of groceries or 3 Pheasants? not a hard choice for many.


http://blog.mlive.com/kalamazoo_gazette_extra/2007/09/hunting_2007_decline_in_hunter.html

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"The primary reasons, experts say, are the loss of hunting land to urbanization(in this case commercialization) plus a perception by many families that they can't afford the time or costs that hunting entails."

They are spot on.

Make a joke of this all you want. It just shows your lack of concern. As long as I can keep affording my hobby. who cares about anybody else or the over all health of the sports survival.

Just how do you think our current administration got into office?

By more and more have nots out numbering the haves. It should be a wake up call but instead people blame it on free loaders looking for hand outs. No, they are not free loaders. They are people forced into the have not line fighting for their own survival. Don't think those forced from hunting can't and won't vote in the same manner that elected Mr Obama. If you can't afford to hunt, why even put it on your list of importance when it comes to voting time?

Laugh all you want at me and my thoughts..but I predicted democrats big win last Nov. and I predict candidates will lean less and less on voters who hunt & fish and more on the needs of people everyday survival. But hey, whats it matter? Your having a good time...life is good, how can it go bad? It can't happen to me....well IMO jokes on you

What if South Dakota put Pheasant hunting on a drawing like waterfowl. Put a limit on non resident License and raised the cost of a License. Just look at many western states with their big game licenses. Don't think it can't happen. Just maybe things aren't as safe as you think they are. What happens if you found yourself on the outside looking in? Just a example of what can happen. Nothing is forever and things can and do change.
 
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If that's what you gather from all this. I'm fighting a loosing battle.

It's about selling our game and access to it to the highest bidder, meanwhile pricing many out of the sport. Particularly our younger generation who are choosing to do other more expressible activities that are more affordable.

It's obvious many of you just choose to continue to ride the current wave and except where ever it takes us and the sport.

I'm done, have a good season
 
moellermd said:
Well JMB I never could trust your late season hunts, with pointers, hunting by yourself, with your fancy orange outfit for your dog. By the way you are ruining my sport with your high falutin attitude.
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Sorry moellermd. You oughta see my new Pheasants Forever Special Edition Range Rover equipped with the exclusive GPS enabled Pheasant Finder. It uses geo-synchronous multi-spectrum satellite imaging that even allows you to sex the birds so you and your canine companion don't waste any of your valuable time.

It really takes the work out of hunting and allows you more time to enjoy the finer aspects of hunting such as kicking back at the lodge, sipping a snifter of Cognac or a glass of Cabernet Sauvignon while debating the advantages of offshore banking, tax shelters, high yield derivitives and commercial investments such as converting CRP and grasslands to golf courses, condos and strip malls. ;)
 
designer pheasants

Say what you really mean, don't sugar coat it! Tell us how you feel deep down inside.

So this dude doesn't want us outa staters in SD.

One year we hunted Nebraska and got guns pulled on us by the natives on CRP. It was almost a shoot out at the OK corral!

Walt MI/USA
 
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I have already stated my opinion on this topic earlier. But I have to add some more.

Onpoint, it seems to me that your biggest beef is pay hunting, in fact I would bet it would be fair to say that you hate pay hunting. If you read my earlier post, then you know that is fine with me, it is suppose to be a free country, and you can have your own opinion.

Now about pay hunting here is what I see. I hunted in South Dakota every year from 1983 to 1996, and then again in 2000. I never paid, because it was different then, and there were less phesants then also.

I live in south central Nebraska, I own some of my own land. I hunt every weekend in about a 5 mile radius of my place. Almost everyone I ask lets me hunt, for free.

The pheasant hunting around my place is average at best. Yes there are some birds but nothing like South Dakota. That is why it is free!!!! It kind of sucks, you have to hunt hard to get 2 or 3 birds. Now if the farmers around me left some crops in (costs money) didn't plant that pivot corner to corn, just left weeds there (costs money) left some land for pheasants (costs money) then we might have a lot more pheasants.

And guess what, if the farmers are spending money to have more pheasants do you think they are going to let me hunt for free? Hell no.

Onpoint, to me it is pretty simple economics. In South Dakota the land quality is lower for farming, little to no irrigation, rocky ect. The return to farmers for farming for pheasants is much higher than it is for Iowa or Nebraska farmers who have much higher quality farm ground, and pay much higher taxes on that farm ground.

So I do not agree with you that pay hunting is the end to hunting. Just go ask to hunt pheasants in Nebraska and Iowa in areas that are not farmed for pheasants and you will see it is still free. Free simply because there are not very many pheasants.
 
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Great post.

Wisconsin is the same way everything that can be planted pretty much does and it leaves for little to no cover once the crops are gone. I wouldn't mind seeing a little extra motive (money) coming into Wisconsin so farmers had reason to be less clean with there farming practices.
 
JMBZ71 said:
Sorry moellermd. You oughta see my new Pheasants Forever Special Edition Range Rover equipped with the exclusive GPS enabled Pheasant Finder. It uses geo-synchronous multi-spectrum satellite imaging that even allows you to sex the birds so you and your canine companion don't waste any of your valuable time.

It really takes the work out of hunting and allows you more time to enjoy the finer aspects of hunting such as kicking back at the lodge, sipping a snifter of Cognac or a glass of Cabernet Sauvignon while debating the advantages of offshore banking, tax shelters, high yield derivitives and commercial investments such as converting CRP and grasslands to golf courses, condos and strip malls. ;)
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:10sign::cheers::DI can't comprehend all you put in here JMBZ so can I hire you and your new equipment out for a weekend in Nodak?.
 
JMBZ71 said:
Sorry moellermd. You oughta see my new Pheasants Forever Special Edition Range Rover equipped with the exclusive GPS enabled Pheasant Finder. It uses geo-synchronous multi-spectrum satellite imaging that even allows you to sex the birds so you and your canine companion don't waste any of your valuable time.
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:thumbsup: I putting this on my Christmas List :cheers:
 
JMBZ71 said:
Sorry moellermd. You oughta see my new Pheasants Forever Special Edition Range Rover equipped with the exclusive GPS enabled Pheasant Finder. It uses geo-synchronous multi-spectrum satellite imaging that even allows you to sex the birds so you and your canine companion don't waste any of your valuable time.

It really takes the work out of hunting and allows you more time to enjoy the finer aspects of hunting such as kicking back at the lodge, sipping a snifter of Cognac or a glass of Cabernet Sauvignon while debating the advantages of offshore banking, tax shelters, high yield derivitives and commercial investments such as converting CRP and grasslands to golf courses, condos and strip malls. ;)
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If they made it, folks would buy it.
 
NOPLCLKNEB said:
I have already stated my opinion on this topic earlier. But I have to add some more.

Onpoint, it seems to me that your biggest beef is pay hunting, in fact I would bet it would be fair to say that you hate pay hunting. If you read my earlier post, then you know that is fine with me, it is suppose to be a free country, and you can have your own opinion.

Now about pay hunting here is what I see. I hunted in South Dakota every year from 1983 to 1996, and then again in 2000. I never paid, because it was different then, and there were less phesants then also.

I live in south central Nebraska, I own some of my own land. I hunt every weekend in about a 5 mile radius of my place. Almost everyone I ask lets me hunt, for free.

The pheasant hunting around my place is average at best. Yes there are some birds but nothing like South Dakota. That is why it is free!!!! It kind of sucks, you have to hunt hard to get 2 or 3 birds. Now if the farmers around me left some crops in (costs money) didn't plant that pivot corner to corn, just left weeds there (costs money) left some land for pheasants (costs money) then we might have a lot more pheasants.

And guess what, if the farmers are spending money to have more pheasants do you think they are going to let me hunt for free? Hell no.

Onpoint, to me it is pretty simple economics. In South Dakota the land quality is lower for farming, little to no irrigation, rocky ect. The return to farmers for farming for pheasants is much higher than it is for Iowa or Nebraska farmers who have much higher quality farm ground, and pay much higher taxes on that farm ground.

So I do not agree with you that pay hunting is the end to hunting. Just go ask to hunt pheasants in Nebraska and Iowa in areas that are not farmed for pheasants and you will see it is still free. Free simply because there are not very many pheasants.
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This is exactly my point. I understand Onpoints frustration with the situation and the way things have changed but, complaining with no suggestions to fix it isn't going to help. Money is what makes the world go around. Landowners are going to try and make money from their land, as they should. Just like Onpoint, and myself, (I am also a landowner in Iowa) makes money from our employment. Nobody is aking him to take a cut of pay to keep a tradition alive.
I said it in an earlier post, sportsmen need to start purhasing land for hunting/conservation purposes. This could be done through fees on hunting licenses, fundraisers, donations etc. This would garrantee public free hunting for the average joe.
There is a saying I use often, it is "don't hate the player, hate the game"
 
i got sucked in

hello all, new here.

sorry guys but I had to do it....sucked in....I grew up near Ely, MN and completely get the frustration of losing access. But Onpoint, with all due and sincere respect, you are being very short sighted and uncreative.

After losing access on prime deer hunting land to development/vacationing city dwellers/posted land while growing up, my dad said something that stuck with me to this day. "workers work, hunters hunt, babies cry. Which one you wanna do today, boy?"

My 4 hunting buddies and I cannot afford to come to SD anymore, we are priced out of that market. This happened about 5 years ago. We did have a plan on that last trip home tho.....hunt state land closer to home and save every dollar we can.

We just closed on some hunting land this fall in sw mn. Not one of us is "well off". Where there is a will, there is a way.
 
tony126 said:
My 4 hunting buddies and I cannot afford to come to SD anymore, we are priced out of that market. This happened about 5 years ago. We did have a plan on that last trip home tho.....hunt state land closer to home and save every dollar we can.

We just closed on some hunting land this fall in sw mn. Not one of us is "well off". Where there is a will, there is a way.
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you mean the NR license is too much?
 
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"We just closed on some hunting land this fall in sw mn. Not one of us is "well off". Where there is a will, there is a way."

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As I said we have farmed for years. We do own some land. It's sad to see each of us being fenced into our own property and having to defend it as our last stand in our freedom to hunt.

onpoint
 
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