Climate change.....PLEASE!!!!

[jmac]

Jmac,

We can argue about this all day. But we are really not that far apart. Absolutely Osha, the EPA, Lead based paint regulations, asbestos, all of those things have become overly intrusive and cut into our bottom line severely. All of those need to be reined in. Add to that the any federal money we get is subject to Davis Bacon Rules. It sucks. It takes up a bunch of my time. All of those things when started were needed. OSHA came about because rich developers would subject there workers to unsafe working conditions to further there bottom line. Ever watch a trench collapse and see a couple guys crushed in an unsafe, un shored trench? I have. The problem is once created it became just another poorly run governmental agency. I work with many from the green sector. It is pretty big in the area where I work. Has it's own name. The Geen Impact Zone. It is the pet project of Rep. Emmanuel Cleaver. Your right it is a joke. It was a collossal waste of taxpayer money. But many of the offshoots of it have worked. Slowly but surely this area is getting a little better. I agree the carbon footprint thing is kinda goofy. Green energy, solar,wind etc are not going anywhere. Sure coal is cheaper. Sure corn for fuel is probably a bad Idea. There is no way you can be convinced pumping all kinds of crap into the atmosphere is a good idea. Something will have to give. We have only been doing this for a hundred years or so. Nobody really knows what the damage is. Me and you will probably never know.

Tom,

I could not agree more with you. We are on the same page. Osha Has made our job much safer. How ever their meddling in fines and inpections are overbearing at times. I do like some of them that are reasonable. How ever Most are overbearing, power hungry jerks. LOL I do agree that they have helped lower Job sight injuries and deaths.

And No I have never seen some one in a trench Cave In. I have always required trenching to be done to what osha requires. Even before they required it. I don't want anyone on my job sights hurt or killed. :cheers:

 

[AtTheMurph]

Where's Al Gore now? Seems he's been AWOL and out of the limelight for quite some time.

Global warming. Please..... give me a break......

I believe he is in the Arctic checking on his 2007 prediction that it would be completely ice free by 2013.

All anyone needs to know about the "Green" movement is that Green = Red.

If you don't know what Red is then God help you.

 

[captaincoot]

Im a firm believer in Climate change I wake up every morning and the temp. sky looks different Changes every day:thumbsup: I like it that way

 

[Gatzby]

The MPLS star and tribune has an article about the UN and CC. They are suggesting giant vacuums to suck the carbon from the atmosphere and then storing it under ground might be the answer!!!!! Are these guys on crack?

I don't litter, i minimize my idle time on vehicles etc as a good steward. But I am gonna cut a whiz on frozen Lake Superior. I may even sign Carptom's name

Ps last week the Chicago zoo had to keep the polar bears inside since it was to cold outside

 

[quail hound]

Carbon emissions are real. You guys can't physically see it like I do everyday. The winds blow pollution from China and LA right into our pretty little valley (we add a bunch of our own as well) and its trapped by the Sierra Nevada range until a strong enough wind can push it over the peak to all of you. I SEE It and I breath it everyday, its disgusting! I remember being able to see the coastal and Sierra Nevada range every day, now you have to be within 50 miles of the SN to see the peak and then its just a silouette. Its one of the saddest things I've ever seen and if I ever leave my Cali home it will be because of the depressing smog more than anything.

 

[jmac]

Time for a science lesson. What is the sixth most common Particle on earth??? It's CARBON. That means that there is only 5 more element more common on this planet. What part of that don't you understand. Its not hurting anything. There are far worst thing in are air then carbon. Your carbon foot print is a political scam, to get you all fired up about nothing. Element number 6 on the periodic chart. Its been around forever, Is not only very common on this planet, Its very common in the universe.

 

[carptom1]

Carbon emissions are real. You guys can't physically see it like I do everyday. The winds blow pollution from China and LA right into our pretty little valley (we add a bunch of our own as well) and its trapped by the Sierra Nevada range until a strong enough wind can push it over the peak to all of you. I SEE It and I breath it everyday, its disgusting! I remember being able to see the coastal and Sierra Nevada range every day, now you have to be within 50 miles of the SN to see the peak and then its just a silouette. Its one of the saddest things I've ever seen and if I ever leave my Cali home it will be because of the depressing smog more than anything.

Stop writing stuff like that Robert. Don't you know that's why everything in your valley is green?. The plants need that to survive. All the smog and pollution is good for your plants and you. You should be gratefull for it and pray for more. Imagine the plants you could grow.

PS. If you don't quit writing propaganda like that on here, some of us may report you as being red. You know.........wink.......wink....... a freaking commie

 

[carptom1]

The MPLS star and tribune has an article about the UN and CC. They are suggesting giant vacuums to suck the carbon from the atmosphere and then storing it under ground might be the answer!!!!! Are these guys on crack?

I don't litter, i minimize my idle time on vehicles etc as a good steward. But I am gonna cut a whiz on frozen Lake Superior. I may even sign Carptom's name

Ps last week the Chicago zoo had to keep the polar bears inside since it was to cold outside

Hey send me a picture of that...... I mean the drawing.....not your junk

 

[jmac]

Stop writing stuff like that Robert. Don't you know that's why everything in your valley is green?. The plants need that to survive. All the smog and pollution is good for your plants and you. You should be gratefull for it and pray for more. Imagine the plants you could grow.

PS. If you don't quit writing propaganda like that on here, some of us may report you as being red. You know.........wink.......wink....... a freaking commie

LOL Tom >>>>>>>>>

 

[quail hound]

Stop writing stuff like that Robert. Don't you know that's why everything in your valley is green?. The plants need that to survive. All the smog and pollution is good for your plants and you. You should be gratefull for it and pray for more. Imagine the plants you could grow.

PS. If you don't quit writing propaganda like that on here, some of us may report you as being red. You know.........wink.......wink....... a freaking commie

Lol. Carbon emissions was painting with a broad stroke. I should have mentioned the ozone pollution created by nitrogen oxides and sulfur oxides photochemical reaction with sun light or the particulate matter, carbon monoxide, hydrogen sulfides and other crap in our air that are directly related to respitory problems and birth defects. On a bad air day (or month like we regularly enjoy) your eyes will be burning by noon if you are lucky enough to work outside like me.:cheers: Not much will be green in our valley soon if it doesnt rain, year 3 of the drought and the driest calender year on record, dust bowl here we come.

 

[jmac]

Lol. Carbon emissions was painting with a broad stroke. I should have mentioned the ozone pollution created by nitrogen oxides and sulfur oxides photochemical reaction with sun light or the particulate matter, carbon monoxide, hydrogen sulfides and other crap in our air that are directly related to respitory problems and birth defects. On a bad air day (or month like we regularly enjoy) your eyes will be burning by noon if you are lucky enough to work outside like me.:cheers: Not much will be green in our valley soon if it doesnt rain, year 3 of the drought and the driest calender year on record, dust bowl here we come.

Yea Robert,

Now your talking about things in the air that need to be fixed. I Acid rain.... :thumbsup:

You know that Hydrogen is the most common element on this planet. It is also the most common element to fuse with other elements that need to file there shells . Co- valiant bonding. Its also produces some of the most toxic stuff known to man. :cheers:

 

[quail hound]

I still don't see how so many can write off Co2 emissions as bunk science though. Its simple really. Yes Co2 is natural on our planet and has always been emitted by natural sources and also absorbed naturally by plants for photosynthesis. We can also agree that Co2 in the atmosphere traps some radiated heat from the earth surface. We know that co2 emissions have risen greatly since the industrial revolution with the burning of carbon based fuels so there is now more in the atmosphere.

We can argue about what effects this might have on our planet but you really can not argue that all the facts stated above are true. Even if you believe that what we are seeing is just natural climate variations the above facts still remain.

 

[Gatzby]

-29 windchill and the temperature is supposed to drop an additional 18 degrees tonight.
Damn you Al Gore make good on your promise!!!

 

[FCSpringer]

The planet has been changing since before Christ and the dinasores. No big deal. Yep getting colder here, may have to move to a global warm state.:thumbsup: