Brittany pup / started dog

New Britt is Home



Here she is her name is Lilo (Lee Low) named after the Move Lilo and Stich

The breeder shaves them for the summer so she doesn't have the typical britt coat now .

All the right tools are there on this pup , up to me to bring the best out in her .

I will get better pictures later in the year .
 
Hope the weather gives you a break so you can spend some quality time together!
 
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I am hoping so to Drifter!!!! You seeing Broods in your area ? Forecast for rain off and all this week up this way , How will that affect the pheasant chicks ?
 
Haven't been far from the desk lately. Working on a NAWCA grant to improve my marshes here. Hoping for $130,000+ to add acres of wetlands, improve water efficiency, and replace end-of-life water control structures. Had a large donation from the highway project I used to armor the lake dam. Using that free money as match to get this free money! It's good to be a scrounge! Hope on getting out more in the coming weeks when I'm not working on partnerships for the grant or end of year stuff! Always something!

A lot depends on how the rain comes and how much. Birds can take quite a bit, but there is a limit. Putting off the wheat harvest will increase survival significantly for pheasants. Bobs may be a bit more tolerant due to nesting in perennial cover. So many variables. If you get several inches in a short time period, that washes the variables out the window!
 
Thanks form the info, I think the weather pattern is damp but maybe not real heavy rain in our area .

Hope you get a bunch of money !!!!
 
jetjockey said:
Maybe. But the ones I've seen would be walking dogs, or maybe Gun Dogs, and not All Age dogs. There was a very well known Brit in the NSTRA circuit who people bred to about a million times, his prodigee has had very little impact on the AKC circuit without a lot of outside blood. A lot of people have tried to make those dogs Horse Back dogs, but it just hasn't worked out. On the other hand, there have been AKC/AF dogs who have produced lots of Horse Back dogs. That's not a bash towards NSTRA dogs are any other dogs, it's just what I've seen in the brittany breed, and one of the reasons NLB will never be in the Brittany Field trial HOF.
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There has never been a Brittany who was a true "All Age" dog. Nor will there ever be. Britts came into existence as poacher's dogs developed by the peasants in France.

They suit millions of shoe leather bird hunters just fine. And Nolan's Last Bullet was a better bird dog than 99.9% of the dogs that ever set foot in NASTRA trials. His record proves that in spades. Just do a little homework. And get Spellcheck ie. "prodigee" :rolleyes: Sheeeeesh........
 
Natty Bumpo said:
There has never been a Brittany who was a true "All Age" dog. Nor will there ever be. Britts came into existence as poacher's dogs developed by the peasants in France.

They suit millions of shoe leather bird hunters just fine. And Nolan's Last Bullet was a better bird dog than 99.9% of the dogs that ever set foot in NASTRA trials. His record proves that in spades. Just do a little homework. And get Spellcheck ie. "prodigee" :rolleyes: Sheeeeesh........
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I guess that all depends on what you call a "True" All Age dog. I know of brits that easily hang at 700-800 yards in the Prairies on GPS. To most people, that would be a "True" All Age dog. You forget that brits have had a great deal of setter and pointer bred into them over the years, not to mention they are a cross between setters, pointers, and spaniels.... I also road the AKC Nationals at Ames, and there was more than a few people who said The AKC dogs ran just as big as the AF dogs at Ames. I probably know more about the best brits in the country, including NLB's, than most people. There's a reason his "prodigy", "get", "pups", etc arent seen in very many of the pedigrees of the AA brittany world.

Dint get too high on your soap box, and get a spellcheck. Ie, its "NSTRA", not NASTRA. :rolleyes: Sheeeeesh
 
I have a Brittany with Nolan's Last Bullet in her pedigree. (not why a purchased her - learned about him later).

She hunts ruffs at 20 - 45 yards and pheasants at 25 - 80 yards.

She is a vacuum on wild birds. She was holding birds at 8 months of age.

Dogs running out past a quarter section or more serve little purpose in most wild bird situations. Either they end up on the wrong piece of land or just went past a bunch of wild birds...

Planting a couple of quail on section of land and letting a big runner find 'em first proves what ? The fact that most Brittany breeders don't chase that is what makes the breed so special.
 
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By design or lucky - every Britt that I have owned has locked on the first bird they came across as a young pup ...

no electronic throwers, no pigeons, no whoa barrel, no e-collar. Some planted birds, some preserves, and plenty of wild birds. My limited experience has shown that excessive training on planted summer birds leads to as many problems as improvement - guess it is just me.

Give me a Brittany with a great nose, a strong instinct to point and hold, and a manageable range and we are good to go for another 10 - 12 years. :cool:

I find and kill a lot of birds ... mainly governed by how much I get out.
 
One final word. Did not mean to come across as anti field trial or field trial dog... certainly a relatively small group of owners and trainers working hard in quest for titles ... not an easy way for most to make a living.

It would be kind of cool hanging on the prairies in August running dogs on young sharpies. Must be the only ones around.

To each their own... but dogs coming out of those lines do not necessarily translate to top shelf bird dogs for the every day hunter and certainly can be too much for the average man hunting too few weekends.

Range / reach is the toughest thing for most novice and average bird hunters running pointing dogs (especially their first one).
 
Britman. I think you'd be suprised how much run most of the big name brit breeders are breeding for. Everyone I know is breeding to the biggest running, baddest bird dogs they can find. The thing to remember is that you can bring a dog in, but it's hard to push them out. A well bred dog is a dog that should know what game it's playing, understand how big to run based on the situation, and handle with ease. That's a common denominator among trialers and hunters. Probably the best trial dog I know of has never run a single trial. She's a MONSTER off a horse, yet off foot she requires almost no handeling, and her bird work is nothing short of impeccable..... I'll never forget the call I got from my trainer from when he called to tell me I screwed up by not taking her. She was the runt of the litter and at 4 months was too orange and too small to be a trial dog. So when she was offered to me and I had to turn her down, I called my dad. He still has NO idea what he has. When I finally made it out to camp to watch her run, I was blown away. Off a horse she was perfectly happy at 500-900 yards out. And that's not guestimated range. That was on the Garmin in the SD Prairies. The best part was she was handeling all on her own. We would turn the horses and she would always show to the front, and then pour it on.... That dog came from heavy trial breeding, and is unlikely to range much more than 200 yards off foot. But off a horse. WOW! She is now a house dog that gets out to hunt 10-15 times a year for a 70 year old guy who can barely hear and can't shoot worth a crap! ;-). Sorry dad!..... The point is that smart dogs learn the game and handle accordingly. That is what ever Hunter and trialer wants in the field.
 
Well put on your Dads dog , I have a runt do from a field trial breeder to . She cagey Smart !!! . She will handle with hand signals . Prairie chicken hunting she will out a good long ways . Shorten up for hunting quail and working singles .
 
jetjockey said:
Britman. I think you'd be suprised how much run most of the big name brit breeders are breeding for.
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Plenty of smaller breeders out there that provide quality bird dogs without the fuss. To each their own.

I have owned and trained my own Brittanys for over 30 years now and could not tell you a big name except for Smith.

Anyone who has the opportunity to hunt behind my dogs leaves wanting more. My Britts hunt woods, fields, big Dakota prairie, geese over decoys in grain fields and duck over water.

I guess I am doing the same thing some of your "big time breeders" are doing and that is making a Britt what he is not really meant to be. In my case they are also waterfowl dogs.

Some of my Britts have retrieved 20 ducks in the morning and pointed and retrieved a dozen or more upland birds later the same day. I have killed prairie chickens, pheasants and ruffed grouse in Minnesota over a two day period. Versatile indeed.

Guess we both share a high appreciation for the Brittany.
 
BRITTMAN said:
Plenty of smaller breeders out there that provide quality bird dogs without the fuss. To each their own.

I have owned and trained my own Brittanys for over 30 years now and could not tell you a big name except for Smith.

Anyone who has the opportunity to hunt behind my dogs leaves wanting more. My Britts hunt woods, fields, big Dakota prairie, geese over decoys in grain fields and duck over water.

I guess I am doing the same thing some of your "big time breeders" are doing and that is making a Britt what he is not really meant to be. In my case they are also waterfowl dogs.

Some of my Britts have retrieved 20 ducks in the morning and pointed and retrieved a dozen or more upland birds later the same day. I have killed prairie chickens, pheasants and ruffed grouse in Minnesota over a two day period. Versatile indeed.

Guess we both share a high appreciation for the Brittany.
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Id be willing to bet the small time breeders are breeding to some pretty big named dogs, or at least offspring to big named dogs. It's hard enough to sell dogs with quality pedigrees. No pedigree at all is darn near impossible. You yourself said one of your dogs was NLB offspring. Many big NLB supporters have moved away from that breeding however in the last couple years. Even some of his biggest supporters. Many people tried to turn those dogs in to AKC field trial dogs but it just hasnt work out, so they moved towards breeding bigger running dogs. Some say Brits are suppose to be bred to be close working foot dogs, I say why limit them? Why can't they be fantastic foot dogs, big running trial dogs, and even waterfowl dogs like yours? The dogs are smart enough to do it all, but too many people try to limit them to a "standard". Breeding for a standard does nothing to improve the breed.

Brits were one of the very first continental, or versatile breeds. Originally, they were bred to hunt everything and retrieve. Even retrieving ducks and geese. Ever noticed they have webbed feet? I think that using them for waterfowl is great. If anything, breeders have gotten away from that, and I think it's ashame. Id love to see a retrieving requirement for brits to achieve a FC title, it would force breeders to make natural retrieve a part of their breeding program, like the dogs were originally bred. Take some videos and post them online!! I'm serious! People need to see what these little dogs are capable of without haveing preconceived notions of what they "think" they should be.
 
I've got a larger female Brittany. She weighs right around 40 lbs. Runs big when I want and close in if I want. I get compliments all the time from other accomplished dog owners that she is the best pheasant hunting Brittany they have seen. I also run her in NSTRA and she is 1 first place shy of her championship. I don't hunt waterfowl anymore but I know she'd do well as she loves the water and swimming. Yet in the house she is quiet and just a big lover. Curls up in the recliner with me every evening. I absolutely couldn't ask for more. I feel so fortunate to have this dog. No Nolan's Last bullet in her. She's a line breeding from NFC Bean's Blaze. Pedigree is loaded with NFC's and FC's like Microdot, Lobo's Cotton Candy, Renegade Kansas Kid and many others.
 
Granddaughter of NLB. Wild MN roosters killed behind her points at 9 months of age.




She is 10 now and her daddy was 3 or 4 when he fathered that liter.

Why wouldn't breeders have moved on ? ... NLB is likely dead.
 
Sorry Zeb and with all due respect to your dog and the lady in the photo above.

Best Brittany to hunt pheasants ...



She is long gone now.
 
Killing pheasants behind well bred Britts is not complicated.



Some barely have any white in them and they seem to function quite well.
 
Anticipation. Riding shotgun in grouse country. She may yield the pheasant title, but few can touch her ability to hold ruffs.

 
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