Benny Spies in SD the pheasant limit is ??????

I emailed South Dakota's Wildlife department, asking if party hunting for pheasants was legal or not.

I quote from the email I received back.

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"No, we do not have party hunts in South Dakota. Everybody has to shoot their own birds and stay with their limit of 3 daily 15 possession.


Thank you
LouAnn Miller
South Dakota Game Fish and Parks
(605)223-7660"
 
We can and have argued this on this site in different forums for several years. But bottom line, all I know is the wardens are not enforcing strict individual limits. One time I'm sitting on the tailgate just before quitting time, sipping on a cold one, with 19 birds in the trucks bed behind me, while my 6 buddies were out attempting to fill the limit, when up pulls a warden. He checked my license, we counted birds and watched while the boys shot the last two of the limit. As they were unloading and walking back to us, all he had to say was "they better have only the two birds on them". Talked to us for a few minutes before wishing us a good remainder our stay/hunt and drove off.

I saw a short article in Outdoor Life this morning about Benny. A SD kid. Went to college, then New York to work in the big city for 5 years before getting tired of it and coming home. Wanted to have a show that wasn't the stuffed shirt, big money venture we see most of the time, but one of regular guys having fun. no fancy clothes, no fancy digs, no fancy guns. Just he and his buddies out enjoying what they grew up doing. Sounds like a good gid to me.
 
Ranger Rick said:
We can and have argued this on this site in different forums for several years. But bottom line, all I know is the wardens are not enforcing strict individual limits. One time I'm sitting on the tailgate just before quitting time, sipping on a cold one, with 19 birds in the trucks bed behind me, while my 6 buddies were out attempting to fill the limit, when up pulls a warden. He checked my license, we counted birds and watched while the boys shot the last two of the limit. As they were unloading and walking back to us, all he had to say was "they better have only the two birds on them". Talked to us for a few minutes before wishing us a good remainder our stay/hunt and drove off.

I saw a short article in Outdoor Life this morning about Benny. A SD kid. Went to college, then New York to work in the big city for 5 years before getting tired of it and coming home. Wanted to have a show that wasn't the stuffed shirt, big money venture we see most of the time, but one of regular guys having fun. no fancy clothes, no fancy digs, no fancy guns. Just he and his buddies out enjoying what they grew up doing. Sounds like a good gid to me.
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right- and did you see him with the camera crews geese hunting-
and coyote hunting- pretty much as hard a hunt with a group as you can get-
I enjoyed it- was laughing quite a bit over the 2 hours I saw his program for the first time- I can relate
 
I do remember metal tags

Shadow said:
BrowningCitori- I went to College in Whapeton, a few of us would go down to SD in one vehicle-

Also- grew up in N Minn. only relatives could hunt in our deer paty- load into a truck or flatbed and drive the old logging road deep into the woods- everyone would head to stands in the dark- meet at dark to head out- remember those metal tags-

you sure brought back fond memories of party hunting
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I still have a metal tag in with my old hunting license.
 
I think you can use the lopehole of "gifting" your birds. Thats the only thing I can find in the book that MAY relate. I dont like party hunting, but it is fun busting your buddies last bird because he keeps missing. Always keep your gun with you, might see sharpies or praries. :).

Bennies show was on the Warne ranch, i remember the same episode. Birds coming out everywhere. I like the road hunting out of the Winnebago episode, cracks me up.
 
North And South Dakota limits

South Dakota DAILY LIMIT: 3 rooster pheasants
POSSESSION LIMIT: 15 rooster pheasants, taken according to the daily limit. The limit accrues at the rate
of 3 birds a day, and 15 birds may not be possessed until after the fifth day of hunting. Noth Dakota Daily Bag Limit"(Daily Limit) means the maximum number of a particular game that one hunter, legally licensed by this state, may take or kill during a single hunting day, within the boundaries of this state.

"Possession Limit" means the maximum number of a particular game species that a hunter, legally licensed by this state, may have in his/her actual possession during any phase of any single hunting trip, venture, or expedition of more than one day. No more than one daily limit may be taken on any one day. The possession limit at one’s personal permanent residence, except for waterfowl and migratory game birds, is not limited.
 
cheesy said:
Just because it is not in the rulebook, does not make it legal. The laws are written to the individual, not to the party.
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If there isn't a law that forbids, than it isn't illegal. You will find party hunting prohibitions elsewhere. I believe you cannot legally shoot someone's ducks for them. The same does not apply for pheasants. I don't like party hunting, but to each his own.
 
Ranger Rick said:
We can and have argued this on this site in different forums for several years. But bottom line, all I know is the wardens are not enforcing strict individual limits. One time I'm sitting on the tailgate just before quitting time, sipping on a cold one, with 19 birds in the trucks bed behind me, while my 6 buddies were out attempting to fill the limit, when up pulls a warden. He checked my license, we counted birds and watched while the boys shot the last two of the limit. As they were unloading and walking back to us, all he had to say was "they better have only the two birds on them". Talked to us for a few minutes before wishing us a good remainder our stay/hunt and drove off.

I saw a short article in Outdoor Life this morning about Benny. A SD kid. Went to college, then New York to work in the big city for 5 years before getting tired of it and coming home. Wanted to have a show that wasn't the stuffed shirt, big money venture we see most of the time, but one of regular guys having fun. no fancy clothes, no fancy digs, no fancy guns. Just he and his buddies out enjoying what they grew up doing. Sounds like a good gid to me.
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I was briefly acquainted with Benny Spies in collage a long time ago, at least when compared to the reference of 32 years. Having known him, I find it comical that he is purposefully out in a broken down winnebago, using second hand equipment and thrift store clothing. heck, I think they even purposefully tangled up the decoy cord in advance of an early morning duck hunt.

I knew Benny Spies to be a kid who descended from means and was quite well outfitted in those days. I believe his parents or grandparents operated the sporting good store/convenience stores located in and around Watertown. Consequently, Benny was a fellow among poor college kids driving a pretty new Tahoe, outfitted with nice gear and guns, and living something of a privileged life. I understood him to run off to work in the TV/Entertainment industry and had himself an in to get this show made. So it is with some humor that I watch him run around as a Joe Everyman.

Nonetheless, I hate your run-of-the-mill hunting show and thought a average guy hunting show is just what guys like me needed. I think the hunting show-meets-Johnny Knoxville schtick can be a little much at times, but that is what will sell. Thinking about it, nobody would tune in to watch Omsrud go out, sit in his duck blind quietly and shoot two woodies and call it a good day, or walk public land all afternoon and be farting glitter over shooting a rooster or two. I will admit I like the show. It reminds me of the stupid things I did in bygone days, like stalking a single duck I saw land somewhere or have stupid things go wrong, like gun malfunctions at a crucial times. I hope the show lasts but I think he'll run out of material. Once season seemed to accomplish that (how many average joes are out shooting bison)?
 
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"The possession limit at one’s personal permanent residence, except for waterfowl and migratory game birds, is not limited. "

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Depending on which state you are in
In North Dakota it reads http://gf.nd.gov/regulations/smallgame/index.html
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""Possession Limit" means the maximum number of a particular game species that a hunter, legally licensed by this state, may have in his/her actual possession during any phase of any single hunting trip, venture, or expedition of more than one day. No more than one daily limit may be taken on any one day. The possession limit at one’s personal permanent residence, except for waterfowl and migratory game birds, is not limited.
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Federal Waterfowl

The following is a synopsis of Federal Regulations that pertain to the hunting of migratory game birds. Persons requiring more information should go to http://www.fws.gov/hunting/whatres.html, where they will find a complete version of 50 CFR Part 20. When State law is different from the following Federal law the hunter must comply with the most restrictive law.
What terms do I need to understand?

Migratory Birds are birds protected by federal law as a result of treaties signed with other countries. Protected migratory birds are listed in Title 50 Code of Federal Regulations, Section. 10.13. This list includes almost all birds found in the United States with the exception of the house sparrow, feral pigeon (commonly called rock dove), European starling, Eurasian collared-dove, mute swan, and upland game birds (which are protected by state laws).
All migratory birds are protected. However, a subset of migratory birds classified as migratory game birds and may be hunted in accordance with State and Federal regulations. The list of migratory game birds includes species of ducks, geese (including brant), swans, doves and pigeons, cranes, rails, coots, gallinules and moorhens, woodcock and snipe, if there is an open season.

Daily bag limit means the maximum number of migratory game birds of a single species or combination (aggregate) of species permitted to be taken by one person in any one day during the open season in any one specified geographic area for which a daily bag limit is prescribed.
Aggregate daily bag limit means the maximum number of migratory game birds permitted to be taken by one person in any one day during the open season when such person hunts in more than one specified geographic area and/or for more than one species for which a combined daily bag limit is prescribed. The aggregate daily bag limit is equal to, but shall not exceed, the largest daily bag limit prescribed for any one species or for any one specified geographic area in which taking occurs.
Possession limit means the maximum number of migratory game birds of a single species or a combination of species permitted to be possessed by any one person when lawfully taken in the United States in any one specified geographic area for which a possession limit is prescribed.
Aggregate possession limit means the maximum number of migratory game birds of a single species or combination of species taken in the United States permitted to be possessed by any one person when taking and possession occurs in more than one specified geographic area for which a possession limit is prescribed. The aggregate possession limit is equal to, but shall not exceed, the largest possession limit prescribed for any one of the species or specified geographic areas in which taking and possession occurs.
Personal abode means one’s principal or ordinary home or dwelling place, as distinguished from one’s temporary or transient place of abode or dwelling such as a hunting club, or any club house, cabin, tent or trailer house used as a hunting club, or any hotel, motel or rooming house used during a hunting, pleasure or business trip.

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What is the possession limit? How does it vary from the bag limit?

Answer: The possession limit is the maximum number of a species that you can control, transport, etc., at any time. It is twice the daily bag limit.

The daily bag limit is the maximum number that you can keep in one day (i.e., 12:00 AM to 11:59 PM) of fishing. Fish not immediately released (i.e., prior to transport) are part of an angler's daily bag limit. An angler may not possess in excess of the daily bag limit for the water while on the waters, banks or shores of that water.

For example, if the daily bag limit for a species is 5, the most you could possess or control (i.e., in your freezer, cooler, vehicle, etc.) would be 10, no matter how many days you fished. Therefore, you could only bring home your possession limit of 10.

Once you reach your limit for a species, you must stop fishing for that species. This includes catch and release.

One MUST pay attention to changing laws from state to state
 
I would surely agree we have plowed this ground before. With the exception of South Dakota, I believe the other pheasant states have prohibitions against party hunting. Whether these are enforced or not, or selectively enforced, more likely, I can't say. Only that I have never been questioned by a wildlife officer in this regard. From a practical standpoint, strict limits on daily individual harvest may have some basis of merit in game regulations, and I doubt any of us upland hunting alone would try to defend a harvest of over a daily limit. On the whole party hunting upland game is and would be very difficult to enforce, and somewhat impractical to excercise. There are places pheasant hunting, where unless manpower is employed, the chance for anyone to get a shot is limited, if after shooting the daily limit members of the party retire, it affects the chances for the rest. Of course the retirees could walk without a gun and serve as beaters or dog handlers, which is what I do, on the rare occasion I see a limit these days. But it is largely one of those thorny personal decisions which we each make, and as already stated, almost unenforcable unless you are checked exiting a field with 20 birds in your gamebag. Obviously, some upland pursuits are better in smaller numbers, quail, grouse,woodcock, and huns, I see no justification for party hunting any of these species, and in the case of quail, it might contribute to the demise of the species. It is not inconcievable that 15 guys hunting pheasants, get into a covey of quail, each within his limit and acting responsiblly harvest one bird as they cross the field. That's one covey we won't see again! Yet no law was broken, no moral compass upset. It's one reason I liked the delayed quail opener west of Hiway 81 in Kansas many years ago, it got the big groups out of the field after the first two weeks and allowed the quail to deal with groups of two or four for the most part. I don't believe that party hunting deer, or pheasants has an impact on the species. This is a great arguement, but if the law says it's illegal in any particular state, I doubt if confronted by a "by the book", game warden it will cut much ice!
 
omsrud said:
If there isn't a law that forbids, than it isn't illegal. You will find party hunting prohibitions elsewhere. I believe you cannot legally shoot someone's ducks for them. The same does not apply for pheasants. I don't like party hunting, but to each his own.
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Federal laws say an individual hunter must shoot his own birds. Federal law trumps any state law on waterfowl. Some Federal Wardens will want the birds separated. In some Southern States this law is strictly adhered to and birds are tagged with hunter's name and license number once they leave the blind / camp.

Upland game birds are regulated by each state. Some states allow party hunting while others do not.

Two other laws that can get people into trouble is number of shells a shotgun can hold and steel / lead shot. What & when you are hunting, where you are hunting all plays into the final rules.
 
I have hunted in SD for about 20 years an we have about a section of land to hunt on. Opening weekends we hunt with 20 guys the max allowed. We get checked often. The CO has never asked who shot what. They want to see licenses and birds as long as the numbers work out we are OK. Some are shooters others are walkers. 2 years ago I shot 14 in one pass. I generaly shoot 10 per day first three days. We rarely limit. Most of the guys just like to get away, but they want to bring some birds home. The shooters help them out. I practise a lot and rarely miss. We have some guys that buy a license in case one flys over while they sit by the fire. It all works out.
 
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