2013 WIHA atlas

hunting

i think the walk-in properties are getting picked on here. if you want to pick on something pick on the hunting properties in general. i think if you opened your eyes you would see that not only are some of the walk-in properties looking bad but also a very large amount of land in general is looking bad whether posted or not. many places where i hunt in kansas no matter how the land is listed, there is no place for pheasants or much else either to have a chance to survive

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So, the Spring Turkey WIHA is worth checking out? I'm down around Tulsa. The southern WIHAs would be closer....Do you have to go to those NE SpringTurkey WIHAs to get into some birds or are the ones down south pretty decent also?

I'm considering a trip to either Missouri or Kansas next spring....can't decide.

I haven't pheasant hunted up there in a few years, but we hunted from 2001-2009 exclusively on WIHA. Killed limits of birds many of those years. I am only speaking from personal experience here, but my opinion is that it was harder and harder to find quality habitat on those WIHAs we hunted every year. We were very frustrated in '09 and didn't go back in '10. Wish I had now because that was the last year before the great drought. Either way, I wish we had something like it down here in OK. Lots of good memories walking those WIHA fields. Be thankful for it.

I think there is plenty of wiha in the se. Cheesy would be the person to ask.
 
not cheesy,but i can help you out a little.there used to be some walk in around,but the deer leases have all the good stuff.turks are abundant,and like someone else said,most farmers will let you hunt turkeys,if you ask.just look around,maybe get a top map,look for creeks,and drainage creeks,those will have birds on them.
 
no secret if you want turkeys KS is a safe bet that hole NE-SE KS is loaded with birds & public lands any wear along the border with MO is good for turkey less birds the farther west you go... no that there is not birds out west just way way more along the MO border but way more hunters also most from MO... big easterns on the east side of state...

truly a ignorant comment about the waste of $$$ for the spring WIHA program KS game & fish brings in $$$ every spring with the amount of non resident hunters that travel there to hunt 100% SPRING WIHA LANDS for turkey for either the early archery or regular spring season if that program was not around not nearly as many people would want to hunt KS me included id head north... i dont want to drive 10-12 hours to KS & then drive around some more & go bug the farmers for turkey hunting permission when i can get a free public hunting atlas & just go hunt when & wear i want to??? very simple not all hunters want to hunt 100% PRIVATE LAND i love hunting 100% PUBLIC LAND hate buggin farmers to hunt there land...

you guys bashing the WIHA program in KS dont realize or care how good you have it man!!! if you dont look at the lands you are going to be hunting B4 you head to them to hunt either VIA google or the many other programs that let you view the lands prior to ur trip there or if you live in KS take a scout drive over but to then complain after that you had to drive to many B4 you found a good 1 to hunt is not the states fault like they said above KS game & fish cant control the weather & some of the private lands around dont look much better then the WIHAs i mean your in a major major drought...

a few yrs ago i went to KS my 1st yr ever & seen pheasants & turkeys both nesting in wheat stubble constantly maybe thats why so much stubble was enrolled??? also ive seen guys hunting that wheat stubble on good years now that its a drought wheat stubble is the devil...???

also id stick with bashing the hebicides they are using to kill the weeds ETC. in certain areas rather then saying NO TILL FARMING is a problem it helps the wildlife & soil so much more then just turning the field over to dirt & leaving no food for the wildlife...

exactly stay home if its that bad out there boys i mean to be honest alot of KS hunters were spoiled 4-5 yrs ago & not having to work for pheasants very hard now its hard times & we are loosing land & hunters every yr got to try to make things better & improve on the public hunting opportunity not just bitch about it & bash it??? in NE they have the foucus on pheasant program & its CRP program the NE game & fish also is trying to improve on quail habitat KS game & fish can step up to the plate that way a little id say if anything???

also could try & manage there prairie grouse habitat a little out side the flint hills???

i see KS going the way of MN & people having to pay 3$-5$ to be able to hunt on the WIHA lands or to be certified to hunt on them that way that $$$ can go towards enrolling more land??? i would happily pay 5$ to keep the SPRING TURKEY WIHA program around for a long long time!!!
 
I agree with mustistuff. The WIHA properties are definitely being picked on. Grasslands like a lot of Kansas CRP ground needs to be disturbed every few years in order to stay healthy and make room for forbs to grow that attract all the juicy insects that quail and phez chicks need to survive. It's never fun to drive to your favorite CRP area and see that it's disked but it will produce a lot more birds in the years after the disturbance.
 
not they don't, last time i check they were all in the lawrence area, that's the place to go

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You're right! How about your area? :p
 
lost land

just checked the several counties i wander around and it is pretty much the same. last year i believe i lost a bunch from the year before

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just checked the several counties i wander around and it is pretty much the same. last year i believe i lost a bunch from the year before

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Yep, it's the same for the area I'd spent much of my time in before....there just wasn't any left to lose this time around.
 
boy, you are so right...I used to shoot tons of birds out of weedy wheat stubble and foxtail choked milo stubble...it was awesome! :thumbsup:

AAAAAAmennnn!
 
As much as I hate to say it...
I truely think they need to do away with firearms deer hunting on WIHA land.
Why? Because, in my opinion, it has turned the Kansas firearms deer season into a fiasco. I hunt on, and help post about 14k acres in NW Kansas and it's just about impossible to keep people from trespassing or shooting from the road.
The tide turned when they started allowing non-resident firearm tags.
They sure didn't mean to do it, but they created an army of road hunters.
For years, every hunting magazine and tv show talked about the big bucks of Kansas, so when the gates opened, people soon figured out that all you had to have was a map, a truck, a rifle and an orange cap.
They drive to a spot on the map, drive the mile section and if they don't see a deer, it's on to the next spot. And, since they're road hunting anyway, do you really think it's going to matter if they see a buck in between WIHA areas?
I doubt it.
At least, before WIHA, they had to have permission on a core area to even be there in the first place. In other words, they're not going to be in "Bumpkinville" Kansas unless they have a place to hunt.
If any of ya'all have spent any time in NW Kansas during firearms deer season, I'm sure you can relate.
Poachers are gonna poach, and people who are out to do something illegal, are going to do it anyway, but I think the WIHA system has just allowed them to do it too easily, and also turned guys who wouldn't have otherwise, into road hunters.
It's really sad to see.
 
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deer hunting

interesting comment but i see a couple of holes. in the past there have been studies that show that out of state hunter's have the most amount of manners, those with the least are the locals. the rifle deer season, regular, last about 10 days, that's not much out of a bird season that is well over 80 days long. in the area i hunt, mostly n.w. kansas most of the walk in area is extremely poor deer cover, most of the deer i do see are mule type and those lic. are especially hard to come by and shooting white tail out of wheat fields is a tought proposition for out of state hunters and maybe lastlyl, the state has recognized the problem by increasing the fines when it comes to deer and turkey to create a deterrent. about 2 years ago only about 70 citations were issued for trespassing in the whole state of kansas so something doesn't add up. one other thing, complaining will get you smaller numbers of hunters and with the political climate we are in today what we need are more hunters. there is security in numbers and don't forget it. make do.

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interesting comment but i see a couple of holes. in the past there have been studies that show that out of state hunter's have the most amount of manners, those with the least are the locals. the rifle deer season, regular, last about 10 days, that's not much out of a bird season that is well over 80 days long. in the area i hunt, mostly n.w. kansas most of the walk in area is extremely poor deer cover, most of the deer i do see are mule type and those lic. are especially hard to come by and shooting white tail out of wheat fields is a tought proposition for out of state hunters and maybe lastlyl, the state has recognized the problem by increasing the fines when it comes to deer and turkey to create a deterrent. about 2 years ago only about 70 citations were issued for trespassing in the whole state of kansas so something doesn't add up. one other thing, complaining will get you smaller numbers of hunters and with the political climate we are in today what we need are more hunters. there is security in numbers and don't forget it. make do.

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Please post up these "studies" of out of state hunter's manners.
Just how do you "study" someone's manners anyways?
Studies and statistics can be bent and swayed in any direction you want. Did you know that 90% of statistics are made up on the spot and 68% of people believe them? ;)

Actually, I didn't even mean to imply that this was all non-res hunters (although after re-reading my post I can see how you thought that). It just happened about that time.
Also, no complaint about losing bird hunting time either...I don't know where you got that??? I have enough land access that I can always find somewhere to hunt. I just don't like what it's done to deer hunting and deer hunters. When you see truck after truck driving the mile sections of WIHA...just what exactly do you think they're doing? Looking for a place to hang a stand? Ha ha ha...not hardly.
And, just because the WIHA is wheat stubble, that doesn't mean the land next to it is!
You can call it complaining or whatever you want (although the "complaining will cost us hunters"is quite the stretch), but this IS an issue!
70 violations? There's another statistic that means nothing. I run people off our land every year, but I've never called the law. I no doubt SHOULD (and the land owner does), but it becomes a matter of time and inconvenience to me.

We had the company that makes the WIHA signs make us 500 purple "no hunting without written permission" signs on purple plastic. I post them on T-posts prior to the upland season opener on every piece of land that's not in WIHA. At the end of the season we pick them all up and repair the ones that have been driven over. And we STILL have to kick people off the land!
You will NEVER convince me there's not a problem! I know better!
 
im pretty sure i seen them purple signs??? do you guys paint purple on fence poles also??? i would love to know wear you have land in KS i hunt 100% WIHA love hunting public so i wont go hunt ur private land but PM me at least the county u r in i bet i hunted near ur land B4...

i do see wear you are coming from & how that could be a issue i thought about it B4 on how it gives hunters access to other landlocked parcels of land & how hunters can abuse the lands... & im sure they do i have came to WIHAs or areas of the WIHA i knew was WIHA but the sign was tore down & i had to turn back only to look at my map later & see i could of hunted farther i have also crossed into wear i was not supposed to for the same reason... did not try to tresspass

to be 100% honest i have never seen a KS resident in the turkey woods come up on me all the KS resident hunters i see are always & i mean always driving around with there gun in front seat out of the case just road hunting i have herd of them say they do it & why would they sit all day in the woods ETC. so its more a KS road hunter prob not a no deer hunting on WIHA prob...

id much much rather see a WIHA sign then a purple private leased sign many many others would agree... no local in KS i ever talked to had good things to say about the lease hunting or guides in there area always thats just not write maybe thats why they trash ur private lands??? they are not fans of PAY to PLAY in KS id assume thats why they shoot ur signs & treespass when they think ur not there its really not the WIHA programs fault...

me honestly i treat all the out of state lands i hunt on like gold better then my MN public lands id bet??? i appreciate the out of state public land hunting so much more then my private land hunting grounds i just appreciate they are open to all so thats why i have good or polite hunter manners & treat the out of state public lands so well...

but to be honest i have had issues with many non resident turkey hunters in KS being rude mainly MO boys that see you parked some place hunting & just run & gun into your set up or follow you around the woods??? same with a few good ol KS boys also last yr its just not a WIHA thing there is jerks all over...

wear i hunt turkey in MN there is loads of deer & all private lands around & there is still a major prob with people being dropped off & hunting the private lands with out permission id assume id would also happen that way down in KS if there was no WIHAs open to rifle deer hunting???
 
A few things taken out of context here.
I'm not picking on the non-res...as I said before.
That just happens to be the same time frame that the deer season went crazy.
You are going to see just as many out of state tags "cruising" the mile sections during deer season as you do residents.
I guess you'll have to trust me since I'm the one out there "patrolling" the land and if "you" are out there deer hunting,...you're just sitting on one or two different WIHA sections...since you're doing it right. ;)

One other thing...NONE of this land is a pay to hunt or leased to hunt operation. It is strictly private farm ground that we've tried to manage for US to hunt.
Not one single penny has exchanged hands for hunting.
This will more than likely change in the future as I think the landowner will try to cash in if he's sees the money he can make. I hate it too,...but you can't hardly blame him.
And, just because someone doesn't "like seeing the purple signs" doesn't excuse them for criminal behavior.
By the way...there are purple posts all over the great state of Kansas. It's the legal and universal color and sign for NO HUNTING WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION.
 
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