Goldador retriever wanted

Golddog said:
What could possibly be the advantage for this mix? Long hair or shorter hair? I know people think they reinvented the wheel with a Goldador but what's to gain? The dogs do the same thing, the same way. Every one I've ever encountered looked more like a lab and was an accidental breeding sold for the vet cost of raising a pup to the age of sale. There was nothing wrong with them (good hunting dogs), but i don't get the intention of it.
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They are more mellow than a lab, but in my opinion they have more hunting instinct than a golden.
 
Goosemaster said:
They are more mellow than a lab, but in my opinion they have more hunting instinct than a golden.
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I'm not a breeder, but I did cross breed some when I was a kid. Shorthair to pointer and Pointer to setter. I seemed to have got most leaning towards one breed or the other and maybe 1 or two with tendencies of both breeds. I think you would have to selectively breed several times to get a true 1/2 and 1/2. P.S my spell check seems to have quit on this sight only? anyone else?
 
birddude said:
I'm not a breeder, but I did cross breed some when I was a kid. Shorthair to pointer and Pointer to setter. I seemed to have got most leaning towards one breed or the other and maybe 1 or two with tendencies of both breeds. I think you would have to selectively breed several times to get a true 1/2 and 1/2. P.S my spell check seems to have quit on this sight only? anyone else?
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All I know, is if you breed a purebred lab and a purebred Golden retriever, you will produce a good bird dog.
 
Goosemaster said:
They are more mellow than a lab, but in my opinion they have more hunting instinct than a golden.
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That is like the guys who says I want a good hunting dog but it cant have any field trial labs in the pedigree. Those dogs are way too wild to have in the house. Here are my two shredding the house. To say one breed or cross breed is completely better at one thing or another over another is just plain foolish. I think the off switch can be taught. 20241231_174157.jpg
 
This is always an interesting conversation. My training and experience is with breeding farm animals but, the principles are the same. Hundreds of traits, important and less so, are influenced by genetics and the environment the animal (or plant) is in. The combination of the two determines what we see.

Now probably none of us are concerned with a pup’s palatability, marbling or dressing % so let’s look at mature size since that is easy to observe. Lots of traits dog bleeders are interested in are hard to measure, I don’t claim any experience there, but the basic science is the same.

Genetics is best thought of as averages, trying to predict an individual outcome is a gamble. If the male and female are of the same breed the genetic gamble is less. If a breed has an average male mature weight of 90lbs and an average female mature weight of 70 lbs you are pretty certain the pups from two animals having those weights will hit pretty close to that.

If you use a male that has a mature weight of 100lbs you will pull the pup’s weight up, but not by 10lbs. At any rate the weights of the parents will pretty much create a high and low range for the pups. You won’t get many outliers. Some maybe, there might be a small male or big female that makes you wonder were they came from, but that’s why they are called outliers.

This is the predictability that comes with purebreds.

Now, do the same with two different breeds and heterosis comes into play, the average offspring out performing what you would expect from the two parents. Not saying the resulting males will all be bigger than the male parent, just bigger than you would expect. Crossbreeding also results in more outliers, a wider distribution, with the average being bigger than what would be expected.

In addition the resulting crossbred animal isn’t able to pass on the improvement that was due to the heterosis, things go back down to the mean.

So for any trait crossbreeding can result in a “better” animal, but not predictably so. You could get a pup from anywhere on that continuum, with the average pup being better for whatever trait. Crossbreeding has a wider range, less predictable outcomes. If you can only select one pup, your chances are better with a purebred.

Now that doesn’t mean a person can’t have a very, very good crossbred animal. It does mean some luck was involved and the traits won’t reliably stay in the next generation. Just enjoy them while you have them, I had a lab/setter cross that I think could hold their own against any dog, and that litter most likely had some dinks.

Line breeding is just the opposite, you breed and select for a trait to lock that in, trying to eliminate any outliers.

Whew, that got too long. I certainly don’t consider myself an expert, corrections are welcome.
 
McFarmer said:
This is always an interesting conversation. My training and experience is with breeding farm animals but, the principles are the same. Hundreds of traits, important and less so, are influenced by genetics and the environment the animal (or plant) is in. The combination of the two determines what we see.

Now probably none of us are concerned with a pup’s palatability, marbling or dressing % so let’s look at mature size since that is easy to observe. Lots of traits dog bleeders are interested in are hard to measure, I don’t claim any experience there, but the basic science is the same.

Genetics is best thought of as averages, trying to predict an individual outcome is a gamble. If the male and female are of the same breed the genetic gamble is less. If a breed has an average male mature weight of 90lbs and an average female mature weight of 70 lbs you are pretty certain the pups from two animals having those weights will hit pretty close to that.

If you use a male that has a mature weight of 100lbs you will pull the pup’s weight up, but not by 10lbs. At any rate the weights of the parents will pretty much create a high and low range for the pups. You won’t get many outliers. Some maybe, there might be a small male or big female that makes you wonder were they came from, but that’s why they are called outliers.

This is the predictability that comes with purebreds.

Now, do the same with two different breeds and heterosis comes into play, the average offspring out performing what you would expect from the two parents. Not saying the resulting males will all be bigger than the male parent, just bigger than you would expect. Crossbreeding also results in more outliers, a wider distribution, with the average being bigger than what would be expected.

In addition the resulting crossbred animal isn’t able to pass on the improvement that was due to the heterosis, things go back down to the mean.

So for any trait crossbreeding can result in a “better” animal, but not predictably so. You could get a pup from anywhere on that continuum, with the average pup being better for whatever trait. Crossbreeding has a wider range, less predictable outcomes. If you can only select one pup, your chances are better with a purebred.

Now that doesn’t mean a person can’t have a very, very good crossbred animal. It does mean some luck was involved and the traits won’t reliably stay in the next generation. Just enjoy them while you have them, I had a lab/setter cross that I think could hold their own against any dog, and that litter most likely had some dinks.

Line breeding is just the opposite, you breed and select for a trait to lock that in, trying to eliminate any outliers.

Whew, that got too long. I certainly don’t consider myself an expert, corrections are welcome.
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Nailed it. This from a farm boy that finished a biology degree in college.
 
Assuming Goose isn't trolling again, I guess I'm mostly confused what the point in crossing a lab and a golden is trying to achieve. They're both real similar dogs, hunting wise. Why not just go get a well bred lab or golden. Idk what anyone is hoping to gain crossing them.

Now crossing a lab and a setter or something, I get the idea. Retrieve like a lab but have a nose and hopefully a point like a setter but it's still cross bred and odds are slim it works out well.

Goose, just get your young dog trained up before you get your next Gucci cross bred dog.
 
One of the most famous outcrossed within the same breed of dog was shadow oak Bo who won back to back at the national. They as you can can imagine breed to every setter female male worth a lick and came up with basically nothing except for money in pocket book of his owner. Very similar to secretariat. You can always get that one off dog that is like winning powerball.
 
Today I remembered a reason for mixing lab DNA with golden retriever DNA. It may reduce risk in households with massive head wounds.

 
TomU said:
There was a thread a while back that centered on Flushers, Pointers and "Versatile dogs" (whatever that means). It went on for a while, and like others on the same topic, ended up with what works for you.
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Ridiculous thread. That was last March. I was on vacation in Florida on the beach reading that thing wasting my life away
 
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