I'm not saying they are skimping, PPP seems pretty comparable price wise to a lot of the top brands. It's more of a what is the breeder, kennel owner, or dog handler getting out of promoting PPP question for me. I have a hard time believing that one quality food is that much better than another quality food, it's the same thing when it comes to pro staff for fishing gear, hunting gear, or anything else where they have a prostaff. And heck, the sponsorship game is filled with people claiming to use one product but actually using a different product marked up to look like what they are supposed to be sponsoring. I mean heck people will even argue that you can't trust your vet when they recommend hills science diet because they give a lot of money to vet schools. And to be clear, I'm not saying PPP isn't a quality food.
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I'm not saying they are skimping, PPP seems pretty comparable price wise to a lot of the top brands. It's more of a what is the breeder, kennel owner, or dog handler getting out of promoting PPP question for me. I have a hard time believing that one quality food is that much better than another quality food, it's the same thing when it comes to pro staff for fishing gear, hunting gear, or anything else where they have a prostaff. And heck, the sponsorship game is filled with people claiming to use one product but actually using a different product marked up to look like what they are supposed to be sponsoring. I mean heck people will even argue that you can't trust your vet when they recommend hills science diet because they give a lot of money to vet schools. And to be clear, I'm not saying PPP isn't a quality food.
David0311
Same with Dave Rorem —these guys do not just feed a food because of sponsor—but because of quality—
Their reputation and livelihood depend on it—
Just returned today from S.D.—guided 18 days out of 25 with 1 dog who will be 11 in three weeks and one 8 year old—both Going strong at the end-
Always have fed PPP-
JMO
Same with Dave Rorem —these guys do not just feed a food because of sponsor—but because of quality—
Their reputation and livelihood depend on it—
Just returned today from S.D.—guided 18 days out of 25 with 1 dog who will be 11 in three weeks and one 8 year old—both Going strong at the end-
Always have fed PPP-
JMO
Gatzby
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Ok, I guess??
goldenboy
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David, How was the bird count where you were guiding? Still want to get out there with you someday!
As I said, I'm not saying PPP isn't quality, I was asking how much sponsorship plays into picking one quality food over another quality food. A breeders livelihood also depends on their dogs, but I haven't met a single one, not that I've met a lot, that feeds PPP. Most of the trainers, who's livelihood depends upon getting results from dogs, I looked at to train my dog don't feed PPP. A golfer makes his livelihood by winning, yet there are multiple quality club manufacturers being used by the pros and it's not uncommon to see a person switch from one sponsor to another. And I wasn't even arguing that PPP is actually sponsoring these people, I just meant that there is a lot more exposure to it because it is a sponsor vs. say a smaller regional maker of dog food that also produces a quality product but isn't as well known.
Gatzby
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I'm still not sure I'm understanding just what you are trying to say.
I don't think dogs like Juice, Tubb, or Pete are NFC's because they eat Purina. They are NFC's because they are incredibly talented, incredibly well bred, with incredible trainers and have extremely dedicated owners. Would they win if fed brand X or Y? Probably! The OP asked if Purina was a good food. I gave an example. If you want to debate why the most accomplished trainers in the world feed it you better ask them.
FYI In our neck of the woods (MN) a certain distributor of a certain local food manufacturer offers a smoking good deal to kennels. When I say smoking good I'm not kidding it's under a buck a pound and it's a damn good food. This effects what many kennels feed unfortunately this food isn't widely available. Guys like Rorem, and Farmer need a food that is nationally available as they only summer in MN and winter in TX or GA.
PS This smoking good deal is a pretty closely guarded secret as none of us want to loose it.
You seem to want a argument—believe the original poster had question on food quality-and we gave our/my opinion
As to the trainers you state —you know who do not feed PPP —fine —their Choice—BUT—HOW MANY OF THEM—have won multiple National CAMPIONSHIPS—IN BOTH U.S. and Canada—like Rorem and Farmer?
As for your golf analogy—Do you really think the Pro’s use off the shelf clubs? Instead of each club specially made-tailored for them?
Gatzby
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Dami
After thinking about your response I think I understand where the "confusion" is coming from. Im guessing you are newer to the dog world and probably haven't attended a real AKC/HRC field event. Sorry but the Game Fair doesn't count as a "real" dog event.
Dog trials or test are not "made for media" type events. They take place in pastures, and swampy areas. Guns, blood, mosquitoes, dead ducks, and soon to be dead ducks are all politically incorrect. Add in that the gallery usually has a horrible view of the action. Because of this their are no big sponsorship dollars like golf. Dave Rorem doesn't get free trucks from ford, the dogs cannot wear vests emblazoned with Ol Roy, Tuffy's, or Purina. Plus in the dog world as far as AKC events, Agility is number 1, rally # 2(?), Competion obedience #3. Field trials are a fly speck as far as participation. Probably the most advertising you will see is the free Dogtra hat won in a raffle.
My home club is one of the largest in the state, Purinas local distributor gives us 6-8 bags for our raffle, NutriScurce does the same. Dogtra always donates some hats a couple collars. At the national level they certainly do more but nobody gets a pay check to drive a Chevy or wear Muck boots etc. The advertising bang just isn't there so big sponsorship dollars just don't exist. But as a competitor when I see one pro have 18-20 dogs with bright eyes, shiny coats, and tons of drive I take notice.
This is why I told the OP Purina is good food and then gave an example. Also you need to remember the Purina is available everywhere and as a general rule dogs seem to have firm stools with Purina, can you imagine having a truck with 20 dogs on it and a few home get the runs!
Hopefully this clears things up. I'm moving on!
After thinking about your response I think I understand where the "confusion" is coming from. Im guessing you are newer to the dog world and probably haven't attended a real AKC/HRC field event. Sorry but the Game Fair doesn't count as a "real" dog event.
Dog trials or test are not "made for media" type events. They take place in pastures, and swampy areas. Guns, blood, mosquitoes, dead ducks, and soon to be dead ducks are all politically incorrect. Add in that the gallery usually has a horrible view of the action. Because of this their are no big sponsorship dollars like golf. Dave Rorem doesn't get free trucks from ford, the dogs cannot wear vests emblazoned with Ol Roy, Tuffy's, or Purina. Plus in the dog world as far as AKC events, Agility is number 1, rally # 2(?), Competion obedience #3. Field trials are a fly speck as far as participation. Probably the most advertising you will see is the free Dogtra hat won in a raffle.
My home club is one of the largest in the state, Purinas local distributor gives us 6-8 bags for our raffle, NutriScurce does the same. Dogtra always donates some hats a couple collars. At the national level they certainly do more but nobody gets a pay check to drive a Chevy or wear Muck boots etc. The advertising bang just isn't there so big sponsorship dollars just don't exist. But as a competitor when I see one pro have 18-20 dogs with bright eyes, shiny coats, and tons of drive I take notice.
This is why I told the OP Purina is good food and then gave an example. Also you need to remember the Purina is available everywhere and as a general rule dogs seem to have firm stools with Purina, can you imagine having a truck with 20 dogs on it and a few home get the runs!
Hopefully this clears things up. I'm moving on!
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I'm not looking to argue, I'm simply having a discussion and trying to clarify my thought process around my comment about PPP and sponsorship, I've never said PPP was a bad food or that any other specific food is better.
And I am aware that pros aren't using clubs right off the shelf, see Nike and the TW golf balls, but just as I expect pros are tinkering with and tailoring their clubs, I also expect someone running dogs at the top levels is also tinkering with and tailoring the diet of their dogs. Now if they are only feeding their dogs PPP and nothing else, no supplements, no extras, then I used the wrong analogy.
I am new, but I know better then to say the game fair is a "real" dog event.