What to legally do with a hen!

Perceived authority

Game Wardens and CO"s have more judicial powers then any other domestic branch of law enforcement.
Any authority the wardens have does not supersede your protections under the constitution. Many people believe they have broad authority and can do what they want which is incorrect. Their authority to randomly search is stronger on public lands, but not without suspicion. If you are getting hassled by a unprofessional officer, demand to see a warrant and ask if you are being detained and watch the whole encounter switch course. You are protected against unreasonable search and seizure, don't be afraid to ask questions just because a TV show would lead you to believe that a Game Warden has super authority to do what he/she wants. In order to get respect/they need to give respect, sportsman fund conservation including officers, I remember when an encounter with a Warden was a pleasant experience, now I get questioned like I'm up to no good by a twenty something kid that thinks he's Serpico. Just say no to unreasonable searches.:thumbsup:
 
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Any authority the wardens have does not supersede your protections under the constitution. Many people believe they have broad authority and can do what they want which is incorrect. Their authority to randomly search is stronger on public lands, but not without suspicion. If you are getting hassled by a unprofessional officer, demand to see a warrant and ask if you are being detained and watch the whole encounter switch course. You are protected against unreasonable search and seizure, don't be afraid to ask questions just because a TV show would lead you to believe that a Game Warden has super authority to do what he/she wants. In order to get respect/they need to give respect, sportsman fund conservation including officers, I remember when an encounter with a Warden was a pleasant experience, now I get questioned like I'm up to no good by a twenty something kid that thinks he's Serpico. Just say no to unreasonable searches.:thumbsup:

Thank You.
 
2013 Minnesota Statutes

Chapter 97B. Hunting

97B.715 PHEASANTS.
Subdivision 1. Stamp required. (a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) or section 97A.405, subdivision 2, a person required to possess a small game license may not hunt pheasants without a pheasant stamp validation. (b) The following persons are exempt from this subdivision:
(1) residents and nonresidents under age 18 and residents over age 65;
(2) persons hunting on licensed commercial shooting preserves;
(3) resident disabled veterans with a license issued under section 97A.441, subdivision 6a; and
(4) residents and nonresidents hunting on licenses issued under section 97A.475, subdivision 2, clause (16); or 3, paragraph (a), clause (13).
[See Note.]

Subd. 2. Daily and possession hen pheasant limits. A person may not take more than one hen pheasant in one day or possess more than two hen pheasants.

Well how interesting is that MN state statute ??? Guess the DNR can alter the rules to roosters only, but the State Statutes say otherwise.... :eek:
 
Basically, I claim it's discrimination against the brightly colored rooster, because he is readily identified. If we control the total harvest like we do quail. I doubt that we would see effects on the harvest, we are not seeing now, due to habitat pressure, might make the surviving hens wilder, providing wild characteristics to be passed on, rather than dim-witted hen who recreates dim-witted chicks, or gets mowed under the alfalfa. I believe this wildlife policy is based on TRADITION.

No, it's based on sound science. Unlike the vast majority of other game species, pheasants breed in harems. Balance between the genders come breeding time is not only not necessary, it's not even desirable. The ideal is five or six hens for every rooster, but one rooster can handle considerably more than that and he'll travel around quite a bit to do it.

The more hens that survive until breeding time, the better. If over-winter resources are limited, it's best if the population tips overwhelmingly toward the hen side.

The hens aren't quite everything in regard to reproduction, but comparatively speaking, their contribution vastly dwarfs that of the roosters. That's why there can't be open seasons on them.
 
No, it's based on sound science. Unlike the vast majority of other game species, pheasants breed in harems. Balance between the genders come breeding time is not only not necessary, it's not even desirable. The ideal is five or six hens for every rooster, but one rooster can handle considerably more than that and he'll travel around quite a bit to do it.

The more hens that survive until breeding time, the better. If over-winter resources are limited, it's best if the population tips overwhelmingly toward the hen side.

The hens aren't quite everything in regard to reproduction, but comparatively speaking, their contribution vastly dwarfs that of the roosters. That's why there can't be open seasons on them.


This is exact. :10sign:
 
Yikes

Well how interesting is that MN state statute ??? Guess the DNR can alter the rules to roosters only, but the State Statutes say otherwise.... :eek:

Interesting, that isn't some obscure law like" it's ok to shoot a Indian on main street from a covered wagon". I think a savvy defense attorney would have a good time in court with that one.
 
Science

No, it's based on sound science. Unlike the vast majority of other game species, pheasants breed in harems. Balance between the genders come breeding time is not only not necessary, it's not even desirable. The ideal is five or six hens for every rooster, but one rooster can handle considerably more than that and he'll travel around quite a bit to do it.

The more hens that survive until breeding time, the better. If over-winter resources are limited, it's best if the population tips overwhelmingly toward the hen side.

The hens aren't quite everything in regard to reproduction, but comparatively speaking, their contribution vastly dwarfs that of the roosters. That's why there can't be open seasons on them.

You sir are correct!
 
Asked the Union county CO this exact question and he said to leave the hen in the field.
 
Hen mallards, hen turkeys and hen pheasants are largely protected yet we are not overrun by any of these species unless habitat and weather patterns align perfectly for a few years in a row. Throw in doe deer ?

Compensatory vs Additive mortality theories ....

Compensatory theory largely says a certain number are going to die anyways...



Don't get me wrong here. I do not shoot hens. I have never shot hens. I like the rule of roosters only because hens provide great catch and release (sorry, point and release) for my dogs on days when roosters are scarce or simply out smart us.

Some one caught with a dead hen can pay the small fine and restitution ($50 value of a pheasant in MN) and move on. Gross violations are a different story and ....
 
As the previous post said. I am well versed on the hen-rooster equation. I believe that to be true, as long as their is habitat to support an increasing population of pheasants. This can be demonstrated in a pen raised bird, pheasants can and will be vicarious in mating, a produce a lot of babies. This has been reported so long that we are conditioned, just like the hens. When you heard it so long, it becomes gospel. 50 years ago it worked, we had a lot of habitat. Now we have very limited habitat, we struggle with segmented property, creating populations which have no interaction to other specimens. We are urged to get "wild" genes into our birds with different strains, can wildness be encouraged by hunting hens? will that produce a better wild bird? Well it's sacrilegious! No body does it because we are hide bound to dated philosophy of the dim and getting dimmer past. I have said this before, pheasants and quail are not waterfowl. It's is a space problem. 40 acres can here and there be a key link for waterfowl. 40 acres in the scheme of things with pheasants and quail is woefully inadequate, to have a huntable population. Again, habitat, forget the eurasian marvels, roost in trees, propagate on billiard tables. We have countless dollars, constant study, encompassing all of these theories, remember the lice, weird soil composition arguments? To make this abundantly clear, I am sure that in the Valhalla of habitat, that preserving hens, will have a positive impact. However, in the situation we see now, where wariness, caution, adaptability, are necessary, and desirable, is saving hens valuable? Or is stockpiling a non-premium hen a detriment to the species as a whole. There was a movement among D.U. members which had an agreement where if they shot a hen, they paid a fine to D.U. as compensation, theory is like pheasants, every hen sent north produced an increase of ducklings. It now has been studied and determined that the harvest of hens is inconsequential in the next generation of ducks! Even so, it is debated as heresy, at every duck club over the dinner table. My challenge here is to investigate, do a county research project, rather than be locked into the quiet past. We have new problems we must have new ideas, to overcome trials we face! (Abe Lincoln said that). Some research in the past does support this. In some cases preserve a dwindling resource. Reading this blog, it is the current sportsman who will resist this! I point out that we have devastated Illinois pheasants, Pennsylvania's pheasants, Indiana's birds, as far as I know the hen pheasant harvest did not cause the problem. Maturing forest, land conversion, foreign grass species, along with a lot of early Game Management disinterest, did the job. Producing a population of hens which cannot be supported in substandard habitat, will NOT have the desired result. In fact it may be bad, birds will congregate at areas of premium habitat, also know by predators, avail themselves to what forage is around, equally, until it's gone, and starve equally when it is! Those that survive are stressed, have to take inordinate risks to continue to survive, go into breeding season undernourished. Not the best way have a surplus of eggs, and the ability to breed, and hatch the chicks. The verbatim believe, that what we THINK is the truth, but might not be relevant today. Again, no risk, no ideas, recipe for repeated failure. Waste resources, possibly availing us nothing.
 
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Reading this blog, it is the current sportsman who will resist this!

Yeah, speaking only for myself, I'll resist the hell out of it. Making hens fair game would only serve to take a bunch of first-year birds out of the population before they'd even had an opportunity to raise a brood.

Increasing the overall pheasant population requires lessening pressure (not just from humans, but from all factors) on the hens, not jacking it up.
 
Asked the Union county CO this exact question and he said to leave the hen in the field.

In wisconsin, that could get you a ticket as well for wasting game by shooting but not making part of your daily bag. Conversely you could get a ticket for shooting a protected hen.

My personal opinion only, but it would bother me a lot to kill a game bird and just leave it in the field. I pulled the trigger, I owe it to the bird to utilize it and as an ethical sportsman I need to be prepared to face the consequences if I mess up, even if it was just an accident.
 
Hens

519 and WIS, I totally agree, I don't think the law would close in on me with the hammer of Thor, I think the best policy in a situation like that would be to take the bird, if you get caught to be very upfront and honest from the beginning. I heard cops don't like it when you try and BS them. It sounds so 3rd grad but honesty is your friend in a situation like that. What if the warden was watching you bury a bird with binoculars from a mile away, that would be a more awkward conversation in my opinion.
 
Sorry boys, you have gotten way off track on this post! I asked about hens that were caught by the dog. Not shot by me or anyone else. Just flat out live wild birds, that dogs do catch from time to time. Sorry pointer guys that is the facts from us flusher guys. I know it is wrong to shoot wild hens and all the banter about that. I was just asking if someone has ever asked a warden if they had a hen, caught by a dog question and what they heard. I might look mister green jeans up soon and put the question to him.
 
Sorry boys, you have gotten way off track on this post! I asked about hens that were caught by the dog. Not shot by me or anyone else. Just flat out live wild birds, that dogs do catch from time to time. Sorry pointer guys that is the facts from us flusher guys. I know it is wrong to shoot wild hens and all the banter about that. I was just asking if someone has ever asked a warden if they had a hen, caught by a dog question and what they heard. I might look mister green jeans up soon and put the question to him.

My Brittanys catch a pheasant every now and then. I think having a hen pheasant in your possession regardless of whether the dog caught it or you shot it would be a violation. I can appreciate you guys that want to take that hen home and utilize it but for me they get thrown in the weeds. I'm not willing to take the chance that the CO is going to be understanding. It's not worth the risk or hassle you may get.
 
How often do you guys run into game wardens?

Not saying I'd break the law intentionally but I go an entire season without seeing a warden some falls. If I ended up with an illegal bird there is almost no chance of me seeing a warden out there.
 
Put me down for leaving them if the dog catches. No little amount of meat is worth trouble with the law.

X3 if my dog starts rooting i try to get to him before he gets it. Most of the time it's a hen but i have had more than a few roosters bust out. In my face if he does kill a he's hen it stays in the weeds. No co is going to give you permission to possess
 
wardens

i don't seem to be over run with them. think it is 6 in 5 years and i am in the field a lot. the problem for me is their attitude. two of the six were pleasant and helpful and both were in wyo. in colorado they are just plain nasty, the other two were in kansas, one was just plain rude and the other was a liar, being he was making up stuff that i was doing when in fact he never was in a position to see me in the field, he thought i was going too slow therefore i must have been road hunting, kinda dumb as i was on a farm road with about 8" of snow. something has changed in the mgt. of the wardens over the years and it is not for the better

cheers
 
How often do you guys run into game wardens?

Not saying I'd break the law intentionally but I go an entire season without seeing a warden some falls. If I ended up with an illegal bird there is almost no chance of me seeing a warden out there.

I hardly had a chance to get out this season and bumped into wardens twice. That was here in IL not WI.

Nick
 
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