Lab Replacement

FCSpringer said:
Yeah, I kinda left after my first post and I remember that. After that I came in some pages later and saw some bickering. So tried to lighten things up with my robo dog:). But I guess that was taken wrong by a member. Was truly innocent. Any way I did go back and read all here. I did see some comments about flushers, which I am 100% positive were received poorly by many. I did see a few posts "after" that,,, that were chatty about that. And why I posted clarification on how a flusher does his basic tasks. I did go back and clean up and rid the thread of some of my and other posts that were confusing. Other then that, no gloves were worn by me LOL. I would suggest in the future however anyone who wishes to post poorly about a breed, breed category, style, etc. And do so totally falsely, and in a total negative manner, you most certainly will be with rebuttal by someone.;) In which my self will try to act on the informative. normally if it looks like a joke, smells like a joke, tastes like a joke, It's most likely a joke.:D But a good rule of thumb is don't dish it out if you can't take it. Now I am sure all you pointer guys would be upset had I said all them pointy things do is smoke dope and lounge around pointing a toe in the wrong direction all the time.:laugh: But that would be a joke. Clear decisive lack of knowledge and it's explination there of is another story.;) And not worth typing. Better off trying to figure out a way to make money on dog farts.
PS I just try guys lol. I can't read every thing. And many of the guys of old are just gone, just a few of us trying here right now. Looking for some more help.
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I haven't been here all that long, but one thing that doesn't help is that every single thread ends up back at the same spot.

imagine someone starting a thread titled "truck replacement" where the OP stated that he wanted a toyota, dodge, or a Chevy after owning fords his whole life and the ford guys post "buy a ford" anyway. Of course there is going to be backlash. The thread was specific in topic and the "ford guys" shouldnt have posted in the first place in my opinion. Would have prevented 100% of the bickering, as in pretty much every other hijacked thread.
 
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I agree HM. I hope and think this can go forward in the right direction now. Hope between foe's so to speak, it can move forward.:thumbsup: Good advice, take those trips. Go see some dogs:cheers: Fun too:thumbsup:
 
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small munsterlander owner said:
hate to even remotely agree with jonah but i have been around pits bulldogge & big bully breeds mastiffs ETC. & never was bite n or thought i mite be... i on the other hand have got the hell bit out of my arm by a family lab that i helped pick out the litter he was 100 lbs he crushed my nerves in my arm & left me scarred i could not close my fist for almost a month & a half after that bite... also have been cornered & had to jump many fences due to old male labs with gray beards that for some reason did not like any people outside of there direct family??? same with german shepherds got to watch it around them & there family if your a stranger in my experience collies also???

i love dogs but dont trust them all just by breed any longer lol

i am curious on someday maybe get n a small bodied say under 50-60 pound hunting black lab & or a pointing lab small framed like that to work with my SM id keep the lab if not a pointer close to me or on heel then if my SM points & or i shot a bird i will send in the lab to help on the recovery... i understand people dont pump pointing labs due to there being pointing breeds that get the job done better in theory but even if the lab slows way down & damn near stop id take that over a pure flusher that i cant control or has no pointing in his genes...

is there any particular bloodlines or strains of small bodied hunting labs that i should be looking into buying or researching??? im from MN so any breeders up this way to say MN/WI/IA/SD/ND that i should be looking at??? its a few years down the line im talking so any info will be much appreciated but not like i need a lab at the moment...
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Take a look at www.wesslpointer.com
 
Honcho

jsdriggs said:
Both my dogs fit the bill you are asking about.
Both came from Trieven Sungold Kennels in Lovell Wyoming. This kennel's bloodlines started a lot of the current pointing lab kennels in the country. "Go to the source" is their creedo. Check the pedigrees, nearly ALL go back to Trieven blood. Tiger Mountain?s program includes quite a bit of TWIST blood. If you go to their website, the dogs LUKE and WHITEFOOT are direct offspring of Twist, and a strong influence in their bloodline. Black Forest, another excellent kennel, has GMPR GUMBO OF BLACK FOREST and GMPR CAJUN OF BLACK FOREST, both bred by Trieven Kennels. TWIST & SHOUT was a strong influence in many pointing Lab programs, as are AFC TRIEVEN CLASSICAL JAZZ MH (sire of FC/AFC JAZZTIME) and FC/AFC TRIEVEN THUNDERHEAD.
Grace is 9 1/2 and weighs about 52 pounds.
Darby is almost 2 and is about 54 I'd say.
There is nothing about the dogs from this kennel that I can't recommend, they are simply exceptional in all traits, looks, drive. Even not related to hunting they are great.

Bloodlines? Candlewoods Super Tanker, Candlewoods Delta Dash, San Joquin Honcho, Twist and Shout, Copenhagen, Thunderhead, Powder Keg Meg, Trumarcs Savage, Classical Jazz. Ask Gatsby About these lines, They are the real deal.

http://trieven.trieven-sungold.com/index.html
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Having trained a few sons of "HONCHO" to be gun dogs they were next to imposable to get to quarter well as they wanted to instinctively run flat out and in a strait line and were way way too much dog to be a pleasure to hunt. That said a number of other of Jays lines show natural point and it may be of interest a few were used for some of the "pointin" Lab portion of some foundation dogs of the Wesslpointer.
 
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Honcho

jsdriggs said:
That's interesting. I now personally know seven hunters that have hunted with Trieven Labs, some have owned several. Including myself. Every hunter, to a tee, has had nothing but positives to say about them. In fact, I would lean to the side that these dogs are actually super easy to train and are great hunters. Really good for the hunter who may not have the time to train all they would want. I guess it's good everyone sees things differently.
The original poster has tons to think about here!
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http://blacklabcash.blogspot.com/2007/12/honchos-story-part-i.html
 
field trial vs gun dog

wesslpointer said:
Having trained a few sons of "HONCHO" to be gun dogs they were next to imposable to get to quarter well as they wanted to instinctively run flat out and in a strait line and were way way too much dog to be a pleasure to hunt. That said a number of other of Jays lines show natural point and it may be of interest a few were used for some of the "pointin" Lab portion of some foundation dogs of the Wesslpointer.
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There are big differences between Jays field trial and gun dog lines. http://blacklabcash.blogspot.com/2007/12/honchos-story-part-i.html
 
Wessalpointers, canoe labs............they are all on in the same.
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wesslpointer said:
Having trained a few sons of "HONCHO" to be gun dogs they were next to imposable to get to quarter well as they wanted to instinctively run flat out and in a strait line and were way way too much dog to be a pleasure to hunt. That said a number of other of Jays lines show natural point and it may be of interest a few were used for some of the "pointin" Lab portion of some foundation dogs of the Wesslpointer.
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I don't doubt that some of Honchos offspring could be a handful. That dog had to have had incredible drive with more bottom than many could handle. He was an NFC at the age of three. To reach that level in 3 years is incredible. Their was a misfit bitch that won 3 NFCs in her career by the name of Lottie who spent every fall sleeping on a bed in Aberdeen and tearing up the pheasant fields! She had very few litters because she was a hunting dog. Between hunting and training it took her years to get her first NFC at the age of 6 or maybe 7
 
I know nothing of the lab world but of all the people who own sires and breed on this site, I am sure they will agree that for some odd reason, whenever ANYTHING goes wrong with a puppy it is ALWAYS seems to be the fault of the sire! :eek:
I have a male and have encountered this a couple of times already.

I would have to agree with the accomplishments of HONCHO, that he had to of been a fine dog. But also could have had an amazing handler, I dont know.

I do know that you can have 2 nice dogs and produce a dud.Sometimes certain combos just dont work.
 
mstand said:
I know nothing of the lab world but of all the people who own sires and breed on this site, I am sure they will agree that for some odd reason, whenever ANYTHING goes wrong with a puppy it is ALWAYS seems to be the fault of the sire! :eek:
I have a male and have encountered this a couple of times already.

I would have to agree with the accomplishments of HONCHO, that he had to of been a fine dog. But also could have had an amazing handler, I dont know.

I do know that you can have 2 nice dogs and produce a dud.Sometimes certain combos just dont work.
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Judy Aycock purchased Honcho from J. Folsom. She and Rex Carr trained him but I am not sure who handled him. Probably Rex Carr as Judy Aycock would have been considered an armature. So yea he had a pretty decent handler. Judy Aycock still has some really nice dogs. I went out in the 2nd series at CMNRC this summer while she carried 5-6 dogs to the 4 series and won it (derby). I don't know how old she is....but she is plenty good too. That's the fun part of FTs poor slobs like me can line up and run against the legends
 
Kinda how NAVHDA is...............or was. Seems like more pros are starting to come up in it. But it is still fun.
What is
CMNRC?
 
mstand said:
Kinda how NAVHDA is...............or was. Seems like more pros are starting to come up in it. But it is still fun.
What is
CMNRC?
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CMNRC is the Central Minnesota retriever club

The have monthly informal trials Dec-April. And after the thaw they hold hunt tests and field trials. The last two NFC's (2012,2013) have been owned by club members and handled by club members. The club has a couple hundred acres of grounds manicured for retriever training with some fantastic water, a club house and 12 or so campsites. Membership is $75 a year for am's and $300 for pros. It's a great deal. Pros get preference 2 days a week otherwise am's have first choice on set ups
 
Would they train at Kelly Farms by chance?
 
mstand said:
Kinda how NAVHDA is...............or was. Seems like more pros are starting to come up in it. But it is still fun.
What is
CMNRC?
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Not really, just a lot of am's that think they're pro's.....and it is still fun! :cheers:

CMNRC = Central Minnesota Retriever Club

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Coveyrise64 said:
Not really, just a lot of am's that think they're pro's.....and it is still fun! :cheers:

CMNRC = Central Minnesota Retriever Club

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ALWAYS a good time.............just a little intimidating for some am's.
 
mstand said:
Would they train at Kelly Farms by chance?
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No CMNRC has there own grounds. Northern flight, four points, and land o lakes retriever clubs train at Kelly Farms. Kelly farms is a beautiful piece of property but doesn't have the "technical" water like central
 
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