Why does it matter.

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Youth season just started so I got my dog and we drove 30 minutes to a pheasant release. We got there and found some kids to hunt with that would like to hunt with my dog and me. (I didnt have a gun just brought dog to prepare for the year) We enter the first field and jump six birds. The kids shot at them and missed them all. But this one kids dad was yelling at this kid for missing all six. I couldnt help but think DOES IT REALLY MATTER as long as you had fun. I had my bad days to I just dont think you shouldnt bring the kid down for missing. I just wanted to hear other opinions.
 
What a di@k. I have a 15 year old who already lacks confidence. My older boy hits and misses just like I do but it doesn't seem to bother him too much. My younger son tries but has more trouble connecting. I always use gentle, positive input. You'll get the next one, or that was a tough shot. Yelling kinda ruins the experience for both of us.
 
Mine shoot both shells, usually manage to miss both. I tell them as my long gone partner used to say, " you can't hit'em , if you don't shoot!", to the wild pointer pups, he'd say, "keep 'em flying. In the end I think about seeing those high tempered individuals, I surely enjoy those days of a guy who used to just like being there. My girls don't really care, they have success in the duck blind, but they like the pheasants better. I guess like dad, they want to see beyond the next hill!
 
Well done on your part. As for the "Dad?" . . . some folks are just "vexations to the spirit."
 
Years ago when I had more time, I used to coach baseball with five, six, and seven year old kids. After the first year, it was obvious what I had to do. I sent out an email saying that when their child first set foot on my field, until they stepped off, they were my kid, and were treated as such. If I heard negative comments, or yelling, or saw any type of negative physical contact, they were asked to leave. And they wouldn't be welcomed back.

The league backed me up on this, and I would warn parents once, then hold up the game until they left. I had to use this policy twice. As an adult, and one that takes a vested interest in children and their interests, I always thought positive comments and feedback was the best way to capture anyone's attention. You would see these parents say something negative to their kids, and the kids would shut down and lose interest in the sport. That's not what hunting, or baseball for that matter is about. It's about going outside, being active, and having some fun with your friends, your dog, and maybe your parents/aunts/uncles/grandparents/whoever.

Some of the best days I've ever had involved never taking a shot. And some of the best days I've had involved missing each pitch I've swung at.

Sometimes it's not the outcome, but the way you get to that outcome.

The funny thing is, the two parents I asked to leave a game, emailed me the very next day asking if they could come back. I let both of them come back. But they had to stand in the outfield where no one could hear them. :D
 
My favorite expression is "Shells are cheap!" So shoot and have fun. If you hit some great if not so what?

Yelling at a kid for missing?? Not cool and not fun. I wonder if that kid thought he could shoot at and hit his old man and maybe that would shut him up? It would have crossed my mind.
 
If it hadn't been for my dad, a lot of what I enjoy wouldn't exist today. My dad coached me and both of my brothers in baseball until we were in legion. He took us hunting when we turned 12. Were there some bad games and missed shots, certainly. But he didn't give up on us. It does the kids absolutely no good if their parents aren't supportive of them. This last summer I started my coaching career as my oldest son started playing baseball. Most of the parents could see how passionate I am about the game and that their kids love to play. We shouldn't have to force our kids to like everything we do, but we need to be supportive of their interests. There is a difference between constructive criticism and just plain being an ass.
 
If it hadn't been for my dad, a lot of what I enjoy wouldn't exist today. My dad coached me and both of my brothers in baseball until we were in legion. He took us hunting when we turned 12. Were there some bad games and missed shots, certainly. But he didn't give up on us. It does the kids absolutely no good if their parents aren't supportive of them. This last summer I started my coaching career as my oldest son started playing baseball. Most of the parents could see how passionate I am about the game and that their kids love to play. We shouldn't have to force our kids to like everything we do, but we need to be supportive of their interests. There is a difference between constructive criticism and just plain being an ass.

Well said. I have my love of the outdoors thanks to my father. I coached my oldest son in sports, and we adopted a zero tolerance for negative comments. It is one thing to be constructive and teach, and another to belittle and critisize. We won as a team and lost as a team no exceptions.
 
Years ago when I had more time, I used to coach baseball with five, six, and seven year old kids. After the first year, it was obvious what I had to do. I sent out an email saying that when their child first set foot on my field, until they stepped off, they were my kid, and were treated as such. If I heard negative comments, or yelling, or saw any type of negative physical contact, they were asked to leave. And they wouldn't be welcomed back.

The league backed me up on this, and I would warn parents once, then hold up the game until they left. I had to use this policy twice. As an adult, and one that takes a vested interest in children and their interests, I always thought positive comments and feedback was the best way to capture anyone's attention. You would see these parents say something negative to their kids, and the kids would shut down and lose interest in the sport. That's not what hunting, or baseball for that matter is about. It's about going outside, being active, and having some fun with your friends, your dog, and maybe your parents/aunts/uncles/grandparents/whoever.

Some of the best days I've ever had involved never taking a shot. And some of the best days I've had involved missing each pitch I've swung at.

Sometimes it's not the outcome, but the way you get to that outcome.

The funny thing is, the two parents I asked to leave a game, emailed me the very next day asking if they could come back. I let both of them come back. But they had to stand in the outfield where no one could hear them. :D

I too coached in the Boys Club baseball league for several years. My first topic at the first team meeting each year, was that I would not tolerate negative comments of any kind toward any of the participants during the game. They could encourage as loudly as they wanted and they could speak with me after the game with any criticism or concern just not during the game. I also made it clear that we wanted to teach the kids (we had the only girl in the league on our team) how to throw a ball, how to catch a ball and how to swing a bat and that we would make every effort to have each player try each field position at least once during the year. We wanted to make this a stress free, pressure free, fun experience and give the kids a chance to decide if they liked baseball enough to someday work hard at it or if they didn't like it they could make an informed decision to move on to something else as they got older.

While it breaks my heart that my step-daughters and nephews don't bird hunt with me, I'll never let them know anything other than there is always a seat available in my truck if they decide they want to go.
 
I have an 8yr old daughter and this yr in the youth deer season we had a buck at 12yds broad side. She never got steady on the deer (nerves, excitement...) and the deer eventually saw us and backed out. She still grins when she tells the story and is looking forward to next years youth season.
 
What a di@k. I have a 15 year old who already lacks confidence. My older boy hits and misses just like I do but it doesn't seem to bother him too much. My younger son tries but has more trouble connecting. I always use gentle, positive input. You'll get the next one, or that was a tough shot. Yelling kinda ruins the experience for both of us.

I totally agree. Dad is a TOOL! :mad: I have 2 of 3 stepsons who hunt with me. I teach them this is a sport not a competition and the bottom line is to have fun. Yellin at the kid is like shocking a dog on point! It won't do anything but sour them on going again.

My motto is

Hunt with your kid instead of hunting for your kid.:thumbsup:

Kick'em Up!
 
I'd bet the "dad" is a piss poor shot,who thinks he's awesome,the kind of guy who shoots clays once every few years hitting less than half but tells everyone he shoots a lot better on real birds and the kid doesn't get much time behind a shotgun shooting at clays.
 
I'd bet the "dad" is a piss poor shot,who thinks he's awesome,the kind of guy who shoots clays once every few years hitting less than half but tells everyone he shoots a lot better on real birds and the kid doesn't get much time behind a shotgun shooting at clays.

I agree. What a jerk. Shooting a shotgun at a pheasant and hitting isn't easy when you start (or ever). It takes time to get used to making sure it is a rooster, mounting the gun, etc, etc. etc. and it happens pretty quickly. Besides how many kids have a gun that comes even close to fitting them?
 
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