Which is easier to point, Quail or Pheasant?

I was wondering which you all think is easier to point? Quail or pheasant. I always thought quail were easier, but my pup Ox has been locking down pheasant this year and busting coveys. It's only his second season so I am quite happy with his performance on pheasant. Perhaps it's simply a result of crossing paths with more pheasant than quail last season and so far this year.
 
I think it is that Ox has been on more pheasants.

IMO it is a little harder for a dog to point pheasants just because they tend to run off.
 
My only quail experience to date is with the valley (California) variety, and they run just like little pheasants. For me, it's six of one and half a dozen of the other and everything depends on the specific situation.
 
Just my .02 cents but... Quail seem to be starter birds and tune up birds...

I never start a pup on pheasant until they have at least one season under them on quail. This is just my personal opinion but the spurs on a pheasant can be enough to scar a young pup that may not have the same drive as a dog with a season or two under it's belt.

Another thought, is that a covey of quail should give off more scent than a single pheasant. Making it easier to for a young pup to find.

As to the original question, easier to point? My thought would be quail. The bobwhite quail from my experience seem to sit rather than run. But it all depends on the situation and circumstances.
 
quail. I have been seeing quail run this year a little more than normal though. Bobwhites could never get as bad as a rooster pheasant though. wild pheasants can cooperate and make a young dog look like a rock star OR run more miles than a marathon runner and make a veteran dog look likes its never had a day of training in its life. lol welcome to pheasant hunting:)

the term "quail" takes on another meaning when you talk about blues or gambles. I don't have any experience with either one though.
 
Neither compare to Huns or Chukars . . . the moving little bastriches!
 
Neither compare to Huns or Chukars . . . the moving little bastriches!


I did not think that the Huns we hunted last fall in Montana were hard for the dogs to handle. My setters did great on them, and so did my hunting partners setter and pointer. It was the first time for all of us hunting Huns.

The desert quail are track stars from what I know of them. Have not hunted wild Chukar yet, but I am sure that they run some as well.
 
quail for sure that's why there my favorite to hunt they hold and handle better when I have a young dog and get into a covey I will stay there all day back and forth and if you stay long enough after you have busted them you can locate them when they whistle trying group back up and bring the dog to them, but I don't in extreme temps like this week, you want them to get together to survive
 
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if the birds hold there is no difference. the problem comes in when the birds start to move, quail usually will not however there are some studies out there that claim they move a great deal, pheasants of course just love to sneak away and cause trouble. i would suspect that there is hardly a dog alive that will do a good job pointing a flock of pheasants as you could never get them to stand still. when they do get the chance you can see the confusion in the dog as he moves his head as the birds try and sneak off. if your dog is trained, the problem is the birds, not the dog

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Quail now have evolved into a slightly smaller version than we had 40 years ago. There are a lot of speculation. I subscribe to the survival of the fittest. More pressure, less habitat, makes sure the birds that survive are lean and wary. I have seen recent quail tactics, where they flight to feed, ( from a jungle of cover), usually at just before dark, feed and are back into the jungle flying, before dark, maybe exposing themselves for just minutes a day. Hunting up singles is a chore, lots go to ground under a brush fall, fly 1/2 mile deep into big timber. Chasing singles was bread and butter 40 years ago. Of course they run, always did. As far as being more difficult to point, what I have seen, they are the same, if approached by a great quail dog, they hold, lots of current dogs crowd, maybe it's the nose, maybe it's in-experience, because we don't have as many quail, or the fact that their knowledge is contained by contact with pheasants, which you can crowd effectively. Most of the quail dogs I owned used that to an advantage with pheasants, team work, one straight away into the cover, one or two who drifted on a long cast, and came back to front, trapping the bird, they also would establish point, hold it, then circle to pin the bird between you and the dog. By the way, if you have a lot of dogs, for pheasants they are an advantage, create confusion among the quarry! if you can handle the chaos! Dogs who have a lot of pen-raised or released bird experience, lack this, and they usually get to close to wild birds in the beginning. Quail hunting in my youth became a follow the dog, with casual conversation. Pheasants are always a war. I like the challenges of the new quail, they now live in areas you would not hunt in the past. Human hunters were a minor source of mortality, as apposed to hawks, owls, raccoons, skunks, snakes, foxes, et. al. Gives me hope they will survive me and prosper.
 
pheasants run to survive early season pheasant hunting is what i would compare bob white quail hunting to birds holding wise... the later the pheasant season the more the pheasants turn into runners & escape artiest & are very weary & smart...

bobwhite quail just dont have the run run run mentality or the long legs to compare to pheasants they tend to be home bodys & live in a smaller general area then pheasants do pheasants will migrate to better food/cover as the year goes on quail tend to live in & around the area they were born... the cover that quail live in also tends to make them hold better the pheasants...

i grew up hunting ruffed grouse so let a bob white fly into the woods they hold good in the woods after the 1st flush & its snap shooting like ruffed grouse hunting in the woods i love it!!! same when they quail live in or on the thick creeks...

if you got a young dog & bob white quail to hunt start them on quail it will help them they hold well dont fly as far as pheasants & if you dont blast into the covey they covey will try to re group & start to call to each other & you can go hunt up singles...
 
Quail now have evolved into a slightly smaller version than we had 40 years ago. There are a lot of speculation. I subscribe to the survival of the fittest. More pressure, less habitat, makes sure the birds that survive are lean and wary. I have seen recent quail tactics, where they flight to feed, ( from a jungle of cover), usually at just before dark, feed and are back into the jungle flying, before dark, maybe exposing themselves for just minutes a day. Hunting up singles is a chore, lots go to ground under a brush fall, fly 1/2 mile deep into big timber. Chasing singles was bread and butter 40 years ago. Of course they run, always did. As far as being more difficult to point, what I have seen, they are the same, if approached by a great quail dog, they hold, lots of current dogs crowd, maybe it's the nose, maybe it's in-experience, because we don't have as many quail, or the fact that their knowledge is contained by contact with pheasants, which you can crowd effectively. Most of the quail dogs I owned used that to an advantage with pheasants, team work, one straight away into the cover, one or two who drifted on a long cast, and came back to front, trapping the bird, they also would establish point, hold it, then circle to pin the bird between you and the dog. By the way, if you have a lot of dogs, for pheasants they are an advantage, create confusion among the quarry! if you can handle the chaos! Dogs who have a lot of pen-raised or released bird experience, lack this, and they usually get to close to wild birds in the beginning. Quail hunting in my youth became a follow the dog, with casual conversation. Pheasants are always a war. I like the challenges of the new quail, they now live in areas you would not hunt in the past. Human hunters were a minor source of mortality, as apposed to hawks, owls, raccoons, skunks, snakes, foxes, et. al. Gives me hope they will survive me and prosper.

old I agree with you on lots of things but I am unsure about the lots of dogs causes confusion I like the one guy one dog or two guys two dogs that know how to handle wild birds lots of dogs seem to cause lots of noise, commotion, just a freaking bulldozer going through the field where as very good experienced dogs know the game and experienced hunters reading a dog and seeing where to be in the right place:thumbsup:
 
What ever is in front of the dog. ;)


Wild quail (covey) and wild pheasants can both be difficult depending on bird's exposure to hunters, cover, weather, and time of year.

Single quail are easy if located.
 
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