Sporting clays

Toad anytime you wanna come over for some shooting on a Sunday I'm game, or anyone else as well.

It's not the nicest, best kept place, but Will is good people and super friendly. I may even do a hunt before the season closes. I'd love to have some Chukar on the grill!
 
duckn66 said:
Toad anytime you wanna come over for some shooting on a Sunday I'm game, or anyone else as well.

It's not the nicest, best kept place, but Will is good people and super friendly. I may even do a hunt before the season closes. I'd love to have some Chukar on the grill!
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Well, it's not fancy, but it I like it. We used to alternate between there and Ravenwood and Cokeleys was always more challenging. And it always felt more relaxed and not as formal.

I wish it was closer to Manhattan. I've never done a controlled hunt there.
 
Yeah defiantely a relaxed atomosphere which is nice. Haven't been to Ravenwood in years. I read you have to reserve a time there now tho.
 
mustistuff said:
it is really hard today to find a gun that doesn't shoot where ya point it, heck, even my 14 ga. does that and it was made about 1840. also, i can't believe that o' john b. was any smarter when it came to that them most of the other guy's that made guns. if you like the gun, it does help just a little bit, then again, you need faster 7.5's

cheers
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ok, i'll take the bait
care to elaborate on the "14 ga. ,circa 1840 "might well tells us about your pet 7.5 load,if you're amenable
 
no bait

hi i have quite a few muzzle loading shotguns, all antiques and all shooters. i hunt with them a great deal and use them on a large variety of game birds. the old guns came in lots of different gauges, mostly likely any size rod they had that they could wrap some damascus around and make into some type of guage. for me i have had them in at least the following, 10, 11, 12 14, 16, and 20. i have seen one 17. anyway one of my favorites is a 14 ga, loaded with about 82 gr. of ffg and 1 1/8 of shot, mostly i use 7.5's. as they are all cyl. bore, i need the density and as i can't shoot as far, the 7.5's work really well. with this load i shot three turkey this winter, dove, duck, and pheasants. anyway, in picking on a few, esp. that quail quy in calif. i mentioned my super hot 7.5's. i also use a 28 ga. sxs and use it also on everything including geese. i have a load worked up, actuall published, that shoots a 15/16 oz load at just over 1500 fps. at that speed it gives me the killing power of about a size 5 shot and using 7.5's i am shooting more pellets than someone using 12 ga. using 6 shot with 1 1/4 oz. actually 283 pellets to my 328. big increase. another advantage is my gun only weights just over 5 lbs. and not 8 lbs. to me it is fun and games but interesting non the less. i can safely shoot to just past 40 yds. and can't hit anything past that range anyway nor can most anybody else. my 14 ga. goes about 1050 fps, kinda slow but then i know i can't shoot past 30 yards so it matters little. birds don't seem to care what they get hit with, i just enjoy the older guns or the side by sides and when i go hunting i have about 20 in which to chose from, love the guns, the dogs and the outdoors and my queen loves to see me go. there ya have it, what a deal

cheers
 
thanks
i figured it was a muzzle loader
they say the kentucky/pennsylvania style rifle settled america
i believe more likey a 10 ga mL SXS, more versatile
 
muzzle loader

about 1825, joe meek, the merry mountain man smartened up, as a trapper in it's hay day he road a mule and carried a double barrel with buck shot. none of those guys carried the long rifle

cheers
 
What kind of non-tox shot do you use in those old guns? A 28ga with 7.5 shot on geese?

A 28ga on geese with 7.5 shot. Are these real, live geese and not some quail painted up like a goose?
 
non tox

with my muzzle loaders for years when water fowling i used bismuth but then it went off the market, now back on but can't afford the stuff. this past year i went to the new, fairly, itx shot, it shot a nice pattern but also expensive but i can't shoot steel in those old barrels. in as much as i have to choose my shots, like under 30 yds. hitting and killing ducks is no problem. shooting ducks and geese with the 28 ga., most of the birds were shot with #6 bismuth and when that went out i figured out how to reload steel so that it was safe to shoot. one problem with the 28 ga. is many loads can't be bought and loading data is sometimes hard to come by. the last several years i have been using steel and again i am shooting #6 shot and am going for speed, energy, and density. the last three geese i shot were with the 410 using #6 steel and really flopped them.
with that gun, you really have to pick your shots, like being close. didn't mean to confuse anyone, i don't use 7.5's on waterfowl as i can't get it but at closes range it would be a killer, lot of the old time writers suggested 7.5's over decoys as it penetrates the feathers better and the density gives a better chance to hit the head and neck. when steel first came out it was hard to kill anything with the stuff, now that they have the speed, energy up, i am finding that the stuff works every bit as good as lead but a little tougher on the teeth. speed kills and that is why i am having such good luck using mostly 7.5 copper in all my game loads, the stuff works, it also covers my butt should a quail get in the way. i sometimes use some of my older 20 ga. sxs's and still mostly use the 7.5's but can't seem to locate any data to get the speed up for the 20 ga. so most of them go out at about 1300 or less. the 28 ga. gives me better kills and have the records over the years to back it up, shoot faster pellets.

cheers
 
Can you shoot tungsten matrix out of them?

The old timers did use the lighter shot over decoys in very very close. I still use 6 shot steel close on ducks when I know they will be in my face. Once the early migrants are gone I go back to #3, 3" which is my shot of choice for ducks. I like #2 and BB 3" for geese over decoys.

Steel has come a long way since we first had to shoot it. But, I think just as much as steel has improved so has our knowledge of chokes and how it patterns compared to lead.

I remember back in the late 80's going to a MDC conservation area that was steel only. I took along an improved cylinder choke and thats it. Those guys laughed at me. But soon they found out that the tighter mod and full chokes used for lead were waaaay to tight and just did not pattern well shooting steel. I was grinding them up with my improved cylinder and #2 shot. Those guys were stuck on shooting 4 shot, which early in the steel days was the absolute worse choice one could make with steel shot size.
 
mustistuff said:
with my muzzle loaders for years when water fowling i used bismuth but then it went off the market, now back on but can't afford the stuff. this past year i went to the new, fairly, itx shot, it shot a nice pattern but also expensive but i can't shoot steel in those old barrels. in as much as i have to choose my shots, like under 30 yds. hitting and killing ducks is no problem. shooting ducks and geese with the 28 ga., most of the birds were shot with #6 bismuth and when that went out i figured out how to reload steel so that it was safe to shoot. one problem with the 28 ga. is many loads can't be bought and loading data is sometimes hard to come by. the last several years i have been using steel and again i am shooting #6 shot and am going for speed, energy, and density. the last three geese i shot were with the 410 using #6 steel and really flopped them.
with that gun, you really have to pick your shots, like being close. didn't mean to confuse anyone, i don't use 7.5's on waterfowl as i can't get it but at closes range it would be a killer, lot of the old time writers suggested 7.5's over decoys as it penetrates the feathers better and the density gives a better chance to hit the head and neck. when steel first came out it was hard to kill anything with the stuff, now that they have the speed, energy up, i am finding that the stuff works every bit as good as lead but a little tougher on the teeth. speed kills and that is why i am having such good luck using mostly 7.5 copper in all my game loads, the stuff works, it also covers my butt should a quail get in the way. i sometimes use some of my older 20 ga. sxs's and still mostly use the 7.5's but can't seem to locate any data to get the speed up for the 20 ga. so most of them go out at about 1300 or less. the 28 ga. gives me better kills and have the records over the years to back it up, shoot faster pellets.

cheers
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Reloading specialties #65 with steel 3's,its 12 ga.,2.75"(my favorite)
yep,when you push the smaller steel faster, it penetrates or cuts as i call it

the smaller shot gives higher pellet/density and if the shot is laid across the front of the bird there's a better chance of hitting something vital(our goal)
i just have to train the gun to shoot where im looking
 
soft shot

no. i really shouldn't even be using really hard lead shot but i do, usually cause that's all i can find. should have no tin it it. when i am turkey hunting, i do use a wad and have gone to copper shot but then with turkey i don't shoot enough to make a difference. as far as i know only itx and biz is soft enough for the old barrels and it is the same stuff that i use in my elsie's when i use them for waterfowl. my 28 ga.'s i can shoot steel, sure is cheaper

cheers
 
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