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mustistuff

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for all you setter nuts/clowns maybe, the latest issue of pointing dog journal has a pretty neat spread on the mutts, if you don't get it, ya might ought to find a copy, pretty interesting, kinda baffling why they would waste the print on a setter and not talk about the gsp but, oh well, it was interesting anyway,

cheers
 
english setters or gorden setters or llewellin setters or irish setters??? or was the article about all the above setters id like to read a article talking about all the setters...

great great dog all the setters are...
 
I have had all the setters at one time or another.
Had an Irish when I was a kid that was a fine bird dog, one of the Gordon Setters I had was outstanding, and the 2 Llewellins I have now I really like a lot.

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Yeah, Mustistuff just likes to stir up trouble. The Llewellin Setter is the finest bird dog, companion in the field today. I have owned two and wouldn't trade either for three dozen gsp's.
 
Personally I like them all! Especially if they are on point. I have owned all setters, GSP's, and pointers. The setters were a match to the pointer in the field and more personable, the pointers can be, or not, but they sure go over the hills and find game. The shorthairs, can certainly be house dogs, and field dogs of note, but I don't like the 'fur" gene, in the pedigree. But I see the advantage of all in pheasant hunting. It would be a shame if we all had the same taste. A brag dog of any breed is fine with me. :D
 
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My first pointing dog was a Llewellin. He was a present from an uncle on my 10th birthday. He was a very special dog and pointed with 10 o'clock or level tail. Today probably be faulted for such. He ran "big" but would check back. He hunted for 13 good years and aged quickly after receiving a leg injury which required surgery. When my first setter was older I obtained an EP as I did not want to find I was comparing future dogs to my first. Eight other dogs were EP.
I now have a GSP and am pleased with the opportunities he presents.
I still have a special place for the ES and feel they "paint" a special picture with the feathered tail streaming when running or on point.
I enjoyed all my dogs.
 
they are beautiful dogs IMO. i have never hunted behind one, but it sure seems like they bring a lot to the table as well.

if only I didn't have to do this little thing called "work" and I could hunt 24/7. then I could buy one of every breed and really be able to brag :D
 
oldandnew said:
Personally I like them all! Especially if they are on point. I have owned all setters, GSP's, and pointers. The setters were a match to the pointer in the field and more personable, the pointers can be, or not, but they sure go over the hills and find game. The shorthairs, can certainly be house dogs, and field dogs of note, but I don't like the 'fur" gene, in the pedigree. But I see the advantage of all in pheasant hunting. It would be a shame if we all had the same taste. A brag dog of any breed is fine with me. :D
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That's a good point. I think most of us find a connection with a bird dog regardless of the breed/class. They love the game bird and hunting them just as much as we do. maybe more!
 
I have Laverack type setters [Ryman/Hemlock] and prefer the bigger dogs that hunt close. Max, the current pup is 2-1/2 now, runs well and a good athlete. Not anywhere comparable to the Llewllins, but he covers some ground. Last fall he really came around. In Iowa with friends, who had never shot a limit of pheasants, we limited out and 10 of the 12 were all Max. He's going to be a fine bird dog and is a great companion in the house or fishing boat, as well.

Last fall I hunted grouse with a guy who has an older setter and a GSP. Max worked his usual 40-50 yards, the other setter out to 100 yards and the GSP covered some darned ground man! He'd go on point out 100-150 yards, then we'd have to go find him. The guy is real methodical and by the time we'd get there the GSP would have crept in and bumped the bird. We came home empty handed. One of the reasons why I'm usually busy when he calls to go hunting together.
 
Ranger Rick said:
I have Laverack type setters [Ryman/Hemlock] and prefer the bigger dogs that hunt close. Max, the current pup is 2-1/2 now, runs well and a good athlete. Not anywhere comparable to the Llewllins, but he covers some ground. Last fall he really came around. In Iowa with friends, who had never shot a limit of pheasants, we limited out and 10 of the 12 were all Max. He's going to be a fine bird dog and is a great companion in the house or fishing boat, as well.

Last fall I hunted grouse with a guy who has an older setter and a GSP. Max worked his usual 40-50 yards, the other setter out to 100 yards and the GSP covered some darned ground man! He'd go on point out 100-150 yards, then we'd have to go find him. The guy is real methodical and by the time we'd get there the GSP would have crept in and bumped the bird. We came home empty handed. One of the reasons why I'm usually busy when he calls to go hunting together.
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that shouldn't happen.
 
i thought llewellin setters were the close workers that worked mainly for the hunter???

& the belton,ryman,hemlock were the bigger leggy setters that were the far rangers or more field breed of the english setters??? i may be wrong???

my brothers llewellin setter is a really close worker same with the gorden setter but that may have more to do with what we want out of the dogs then genetics ??? we like a closer working dog i guess...

my small munsterlander works mid range to close just got to work on her holding point on wild birds & she will be good she got the holding & pointing of pigeons down now & holding steady when the birds flush im excited to get out this saterday chasing sharptails prairie chcikens & ruffed grouse
 
The Llewellins will tend to be bigger running than the Ryman / OH dogs.

But you can find Llews with about any range you want.
 
mustistuff said:
all ya gotta do is figure out how to train them, that's all, no big deal there.

cheers
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Training a setter is pretty straightforward. They have tons of point in them, and a natural desire to please.
Its not unusual to have a setter pup, pointing, letting you walking in front to flush the bird, and backing at 3-4 month. You just have to be able to see what the pup is ready for and progress at a rate the dog can handle without too much pressure.

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small munsterlander owner said:
i thought llewellin setters were the close workers that worked mainly for the hunter???

& the belton,ryman,hemlock were the bigger leggy setters that were the far rangers or more field breed of the english setters??? i may be wrong??
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Belton would be coat related, no?

Rymans(gone for many decades), Old Hemlocks, October Setters, Decoverly or any of the Duals would not be far rangers....they would be good bird dogs based upon training and opportunities and, mostly, the preferences of the dog owner.
Renewing the true "Ryman" is a presently ongoing occupation for some...often market-driven....that moniker will sell pups in some areas of the country, imo.

CoverDog setters, FT setters of whatever level of trial would likely be the zippiest setters.

Lllews, I reckon, would be somewhat between the other two if one must sadly rate or position.....tho FTing can work for many.
But, developing a line in any setter category never stops and generalities re dog lines is not a sound idea.
Some dogs will deliver more or less than expected given their particulars....same with humans.

"Close" would also be a word with many different meanings for different birdhunters. Somewhat useless as any of the above dogs will work the cover and the birds...manner is the real kicker with luck of the draw involved.

Very unlikely that there is ever a bad setter of any type...however, there can be bad owners and bad matches to owners.
One will have that with any breed of dog.
 
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SetterNut said:
The Llewellins will tend to be bigger running than the Ryman / OH dogs.

But you can find Llews with about any range you want.
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I would debate just the opposite. I grew up with the best setters in the world. All directly from C.A. Johnsons line and there were none better in the country whether it was at a field trial or quail hunting. C.A. bred a direct daughter of Grouse Ridge John (that we co owned) to an imported llewellin FC. I kept one the pups and those pups proved to be the best, closest working gundogs I ever hunted behind. They were a smaller dog and bird finding machines. I will never forget the day my little female pointed 17 coveys. C.A. felt that the llwellen was a gentlemans hunting dog and wanted to get that into his lines. I would venture to say that many of you owning setters today would all go back to the lines that C.A. and my grandfather started. I have some copies of those pedigree dating back to the 30's and 40's somewhere if anyone is interested.
 
The Ryman dogs tend to be bigger dogs 55 lbs and up from the ones that I have seen, They are good looking classy dogs, that work fairly close, at a slower more methodical pace.


The Llewellins were the turn of the century field trial dogs. They tend to be smaller dogs compared to the Ryman dogs. My two are 40 and 45 lbs.
One of them is a relatively close working dog inside 150 yards, and one is a bigger running dog that can be several hundred yards out. But like most Llewellin Setters they both check in frequently.

My closer working dog Ace, is the easier dog to hunt pheasants with due to his shorter range, and he is older and more experienced. But Indy is a much better quail dog and trial prospect. With his speed and range when running with Ace, he finds way more birds.

If you look you will find some Llewellin blood in the good hunting and trial English Setters.

All Llewellin Setters are English Setters, but not all English Setters are Llewellin Setters.
 
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