season recap

benelli-banger

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returned last night from the finale of the year; good season overall. Observations: birds were up in my area, maybe not quite the 45% that GFP suggested, but not too far from that. As things have changed over the past 5+ years I find myself in smaller groups and hunting smaller chunks of land, which isn't a bad thing. More efficient, really. Those spots were great until the first snow fell in my area around Thanksgiving, at which time they moved to bigger, more substantial winter cover for the most part. The weather warmed up and the snow melted, and the birds dispersed again. December was OK, though this last trip was fantastic, as the new snow was light and fluffy and the birds were holding tight and the dogs were pointing like crazy! Seems like the hen-cock ratio is around 10-1, and they should be going into winter in good shape. Only had 2 big flushes this season, reminiscent of 10 or 20 years ago...but, it does suggest that there are some good #'s of birds in some areas, which probably are more visible when the snow falls and they bunch up. My newest dog, who is now 7 months old, got 36 days of bird hunting in the Dakota's this fall, all but 9 in SD...she has come along wonderfully...female lab...pointing very well already. Can't wait for sharptail opener in ND around Sept 10th!!!!
 
great recap BB. We had a good season over all and once again enjoyed a 70% Rebbok rate for 2016. That tells all.

On a more personal note my son brought his 6 month old lab out and his college buddy with his 13 month old lab. the 3 of us hunted for 3 days week 10 after we had had 88 hunters through my place. We managed to scratch out 23 roosters. I shot most as they were learning how to hunt silent and I was doing all the blocking:cheers:

We did a test one day and all shot Federal Prairie storm with open chokes and we agreed we had less cripples on that day. That is a deadly shell.

We will see what el nino brings for weather this winter and spring but plenty of birds around right now for a good hatch should spring cooperate. 2015 is in the books.

By the way we have 11 spots open for 2016 yet so get em while they last.
 
more thoughts on this past season...oh, chris, thanks for the update, very interesting, glad U had a good season...ok, back to my extra thoughts...ALWAYS believe the dog, not your own hunches!!!!!!!!! shot herter's 12 ga 2.75" ammo most of Nov/Dec, #5 shot from IC benelli...at $7.50/box, I would keep buying them as long as I can, worked great, few cripples...rimadyl works great on the older and/or arthritic dogs...lemon juice in the windsor adds a nice touch when mixed with cola...less hen mortality (by dogs) due to lack of snow for most of the season, which is terrific...too much habitat still being destroyed in order to be planted--small sloughs, tree belts, fence lines, etc, etc...makes me sad, but, we find new spots here and there to supplant those that we lose to farming...i see lots of young men joining the family farm, which explains my last point, I do not begrudge that trend, it is just reality....I bought into the lottery as part of a pool with about 6 farmers out in SD last week, and i proclaimed that with my 30 million or 50 million i would give about 2 mill to my family and buy land with the rest and restore it to prairie...yes, I think I would...happy new year!
 
To each there own on shot shells.

No doubt the high margin, high cost Prairie Storm and Black Cloud (waterfowl) are efficient ... the divergence comes in performance vs. cost.

Prairie Storm
They are designed to pattern tight ... opening the choke ... well why not use a lower cost premium shell with a slightly tighter choke. Most of Federals lead premium shells are wadded / designed (hardened shot) to have tighter more consistent patterns.

I hunt over Brittanys and most of my shots are rather close ... often "counting" to keep from destroying the bird.

Black Cloud
I can never hit much with Black Cloud in either of my main two waterfowl guns (one is my pheasant gun too), while my son just crushes birds with that brand. Pretty sure it comes down to choking and barrel design because he shoots another gun brand. I do very well with mid velocity Federal steel in 3" shell size.
 
I think if you look at the Prairie Storm load more closely you will see some key differentiating values:

1. It is designed to put 75% of the load in a 30 inch circle between 15-40 yards. The more open the choke the better it works. The first 2 days I shot it I had an IM choke in and was not impressed. The last day I switched to IC and was impressed.

2. It is a 1500 FPS load vs. a common 1300 FPS cheaper load. Speed kills.

3. There is a bump to Pheasants Forever which no other shell offers. I would choose this shell for that reason alone but have found that the engineers got this one right and it fits what we do like no other.

We are now down to just 9 open camps for 2016.:D
 
Late December I used Remington Express Long Range with modified choke 12gA 2-3/4 1330 Fps 4 shot with awesome results. Either I was really on my game or the shells made me look good but either way I missed 2 birds in 4 days hunting. Very impressed with these shells for late season.

Bob
 
My son and I shoot PS out of Carlson black cloud, mid range choke tubes.....it's good stuff. Not to many days do we end the day without our birds.

I have never understood how some with will spend thousands on decoys or out of state hunts and skimp a $20 box of shells. "I didn't come this far to miss" comes to mind.

I do though feel that ones shooting success has a lot to do with what you have confidence in. Gun/load combo.
 
Season Recap

I'd have to say that this was my best season so far out of the past six seasons in SD. There is a learning curve. I'm trying to "grow a brain" each time I go out and learn something. This is what I came away with;
My dog turned four at Christmas and she is really getting it.
I need to shoot more pre-season and stay in the gun better. I peek and miss.
The private land that I hunt near the small town I stay in produced very few birds, but just 35 miles north I saw birds all over on public and private, and shot my limit most days. It pays to venture out and be flexible.
Small WPAs with dry or frozen ground with cattails hold birds, especially late and in the snow, and are surprisingly huntable
Late season birds are beyond my skill level. I missed almost every one. Low flushes, no sky-bird contrast, take off like rockets, I just couldn't get on them.
Need to spend more time out there next year. Only had two trips this year. Next year three.
Hard to hunt pen raised birds in Wisconsin after being out there. Just not the same. I'd rather get skunked out there than shoot the heck out of them here.
I sat in one more living room and got to know a great family that let me hunt on their land.
That part is the best I think. I'm thankful for a good, safe year. No one shot me or my dog.
 
I agree that the relationships are the best! I enjoy that immensely. We have an open door policy...we cook every night, and the headlights start coming our way around 6 pm....some we invite, some stop in to see if we are around...there is always plenty of whiskey and beer and grub...we never ask to hunt, but lots of offers get tossed our way...some are just assumed, but I call those folks regardless to make sure. I come back once or twice each spring or summer for grad parties and weddings...fun to see the life cycle in motion. We get a few of them coming our way in the summer as well...400 miles to Duluth for them...nice to have them see "my world"! Dog work and friendships with the locals...hard to beat it! My shooting will always leave something to be desired...but once in awhile I even surprise myself!
 
Gentlemen,
Enjoyable reading here. Been wing shooting 45 years and God willing, counting on many more. The most influential article I read on bird hunting is the high percentage of birds one ultimately shoots at, within 30 yards, and therefore IC
Should be the choke of choice. I really dwelled on that, and concluded that the high percentage of shots I took, both upland game and waterfowl hunting, were indeed inside of 30 yards. Years ago I switched to IC and never looked back. Obviously ducks and geese don't always dump in your lap, hence BB BBB loads.
If I'm hunting a dugout in Alberta with 2000 ducks on it, I shoot low brass 6's.
Don't need 3" 4's @ 15 - 25 yards! $6 box of shells kills them dead.
I bought a few cases of the Herters 5's for our LW Wingmaster 20 gauges, and they are great (as BB reported) on those SD roosters.
SX3 - I agree the Hevi Shot slogan, I didn't come this far to miss, made me think. Since I also love turkey hunting, I switched to HS magnum blend. 5-6-7 shot in one load covers you 10-50 yards. $5 per load when you shoot once ( in theory) is a small cost compared to the total trip cost. Thanks for all your posts this fall & winter, truly enjoy the reports, etc. as Chad said, I wish each of you the very best in 2016, and great hunting. I too love hunting over dogs, and we have three labs. Switched from pointers to labs because of waterfowl hunting. We are blessed to have a super dog, Barley, a 105 lb cattail buster that lives to hunt. Smart, driven, and gentle with our grandchildren, nothing better than to be in the field and watch her work. All the best. Lee
 
I think if you look at the Prairie Storm load more closely you will see some key differentiating values:
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3. There is a bump to Pheasants Forever which no other shell offers. I would choose this shell for that reason alone but have found that the engineers got this one right and it fits what we do like no other.

Federal PF shells sponsorship is not exclusive to Prairie Storm.

The have the orange box of premium shells ... PF sponsored if it makes a difference In 12 g. they have 1 & 1/4 ounce and 1 & 3/8 ounce lead shot loadings available - both are 1,500 fps ... more lead = higher price. The orange box premium shells run a couple bucks less per box of 25 vs. Prairie Storm.

Looking around it appears that Prairie Storm shells are losing their premium cost status or there are some deals out there right now !

The smaller gauges are still pricey ...
 
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I have never understood how some with will spend thousands on decoys or out of state hunts and skimp a $20 box of shells. "I didn't come this far to miss" comes to mind.

I do though feel that ones shooting success has a lot to do with what you have confidence in. Gun/load combo.

The answer is in more likely in red.

A little summer practice and added field experience goes a long ways.
 
The answer is in more likely in red.

A little summer practice and added field experience goes a long ways.

+1 you hit the nail on the head BRITTMAN. Confidence in your equipment and your ability with it, goes a long way toward wingshooting success.

If Prairie Storm is what you have confidence in, then who's to say you don't need to spend the xtra $ on it.... Just the same if I was using Herters brand and had success. If it WORKS.. use it.
 
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My season started off slow. Ended with a bang. Loking forward to next year.

Left for SD Christmas Day for a 2 day hunt with my daughter, son in law and granddaughter. Brad and I hunted Saturday and Sunday and limited west of Mitchell. Headed home on Sunday night to prepare for the incoming storm that was scheduled to dump 14 inches of new snow. Monday was pretty much waiting out the storm so I could move snow on the acreage and head back as soon as things were in order to leave the wife home. I shut the skidloader off at 1230 and was westbound by one, hoping I could get to bird country in time to get a short hunt in. Arrive at the farm at 3:50 only to find every pheasant in the section feeding in the corn field on the property. I geared up and took Breez down a treeline. 30 yards in, she points. I walk up and a rooster breaks out of the snow. A quick shot sends him tumbling and at the shot, a second rooster breaks and he finds himself surround by a 1 oz load of 6s. He falls in the snow while Breez is bringing number 1 back. We get number 2 picked up and continue onward. 50 yards later, Breez is again locked up. I walk up and rooster #3 is on the ground and being brought back by ms Breez. Looked at my clock and it was 4:23. Wow, that was fast.. I had two other hunting partners for the remainder of the trip and they were slightly behind me on the road and going to a different property. I loaded up and headed where they were. Drove around the section, and couldn't locate them, so I parked on the west side of the section, and let Sky, my 8 month old pup out for a run to get him stretched out. Heard a few shots to the east, so I knew they were at least into some birds too. Met them at the truck at sundown and they had connected on 4. Stood around shooting the breeze and finally decided to head west to Chamberlain.

Got up in the morning and headed to the dam to test the ice, and if that cooperated, maybe fish a little. First time on the ice is always a little spooky, so we waited for full daylight before venturing out. Didn't have much luck, but the electronics told us we were in the right area, the fish didn't want what we were offering.

Had breakfast at the casino, and headed back to the cabin. From there, we headed back east to hunt. We had an incredible hunt north of White Lake and got back to Chamberlain in time to refine the presentation and see if the walleyes were hungry.

Tried a different spot the next morning and dialed them in a little closer, and headed to Presho about 1030. Got to the property and was disappointed at how much snow there was south of Presho. The deep cattail creek that is always so good, was completely blown full. Now, we probably could have hunted it, but truly, it looked like a heart attack waiting to happen, and it didn't really feel like having my daughter life flight me out of the section :). We drove around a bit to see if we could see where the birds were hanging out and it became readily apparent that the farmyards, trees and food plots were holding the majority of the birds. Made a text to a landowner telling him our dilemma , and he said, I'm stuck in South Carolina, but go hunt my place. I told him that I'd go look at it, but if there was as much snow north of town, as there was south of town, I probably wasn't interested and we'd go back to fishing for the rest of the day. Bagging the hunt. Drove up his driveway, and decided that even though there was a lot of snow, it wasn't as much as down south and we were there so let's give it a short try. 7 birds later, we were headed back to Chamberlain, pretty happy to have salvaged the day with a nice hunt.

Friday found us heading east again to try a different property for our final day hunting. As the week drew on, the soft fresh snow was getting packed down with deer, bird and rabbit trails and the birds weren't as cooperative at holding, and we had to move them a couple times to break them up a bit before we could really work on them very well . We spent most of the day moving birds that didn't want to cooperate and headed back west with 6 in the truck. Ice fished that night, and was going to ice fish the morning (Saturday) and head home around noon.

I met the Presho landowner at the rest area and sent him home with some fresh fillets. He invited me to come hunt with him on Saturday with a small group of family and friends they were putting together. I did not tell him we were going home on Saturday, because I really had no reason to go home. The 2 guys with me had to go home. When someone that farms 20k acres invites you to come hunt, I figured I probably should go..... And I did.. I was a little under choked with my 20 guage skeet/ IC but as long as I stayed in my range of 30 and less I was fine. I just had to answer "Why didn't you shoot" about a dozen times throughout the afternoon. I think we shot 18 for 7 guys by the time everyone was beat and I headed back to chamberlain.

Best part of the trip, was we never lost one bird hunting with our pointy dogs and 20s.

I headed for home Sunday morning about 10 am. :(.

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The pup Sky.
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Glad to hear everyone had a fun and safe year! The farm I hunt in Miner County didn't have the numbers it did last year although similar. I was supposed to make a second trip to SD one week in early December, but the flu told me otherwise... Which was too bad because I really felt I would have done well with a late season hunt. So only one trip to SD in 2015. That won't be the case in 2016. It was a great time up there as always and it continued with a good year in Missouri. Now to my point, there was ammo talk earlier and I'm seeking some advise. Warning I over think things. So, my last 2 hunts in MO I got 1 out of the last 6 birds flushed within 20 yards. I'm usually a good shot and I feel that's what separates me from my buddies when we do upland hunt is I take advantage of the opportunities presented (plus I'm one of the few dog owners:) ).

Now, I'm sold on Prairie Storm and I'll use 6's early and followed by 4's late season and always purchase 3" shells. I recently read about Carlson's Prairie Storm choke tubes that are supposed to help with patterning. I personally feel my misses were mounting mistakes or too quick of a trigger and nothing to do with ammo/choke, but it was enough to get my mind moving. I noticed the Carlson's have "early season" and "late season" chokes. I have an over/under and was thinking about just putting "early season" on my first shot and "late season" on my second shot. I'm wondering if that's the route you guys would do as I'm also considering using two "early season" chokes. And I'm also wondering if anyone has used this particular Carlson Choke Tube. I'm an avid bird hunter and hunt continuously throughout the year, so I don't stop hunting after a couple weeks (which can factor in on what's best). Thanks in advance.
 
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Have you patterned the choke tubs you are using now? I understand that Praire Storm is a tight patterning shell. I would spend a little time doing some personal testing, then you know what you got. Not buying what someone else thinks is right for my gun, and me.
 
Have you patterned the choke tubs you are using now? I understand that Praire Storm is a tight patterning shell. I would spend a little time doing some personal testing, then you know what you got. Not buying what someone else thinks is right for my gun, and me.

excellent point. we threatened to do this at pheasant camp but the best laid plans of mice and men failed to produce the test or test results. Always next year but YES this certainly needs and WILL be done. I am certainly thinking open CYL choke might produce best all season results.
 
As poor as the hunting has become in WA state, I could have done almost as well had I not carried a shotgun. Wild birds were few & fat between and the WDFW has shown little to no interest in promoting & improving numbers. The time has come for me to quit hunting here. If I can find someone interested in traveling east next season, I reckon that's my only plan. Otherwise, I guess my dog will only fill one role as my every day Buddy. Sad; when I moved here in the 80's it was very good hunting. Times have changed much for the worse.
 
excellent point. we threatened to do this at pheasant camp but the best laid plans of mice and men failed to produce the test or test results. Always next year but YES this certainly needs and WILL be done. I am certainly thinking open CYL choke might produce best all season results.

I really haven't patterned my gun, but definitely will do that before next season. You guys are both correct, I was reading on Federal's website and they recommended nothing tighter than a modified due to the way the wad is designed (and pellets). I think my starting point will be improved cylinder and go from there. Thanks guys.
 
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