Saw my first Calif. rooster in a year

I really haven't seen a huge drop off in pheasant numbers down here. I dont remember moving less than 5 or 6 birds in a day last season and had days where we moved over 30 and the hen to rooster ratio was pretty good. I have a friend who lives in LB that says he's seen a few broods on the ground with 5-8 chicks. The laws of diminishing return protects them pretty well, besides opening weekend and the Thanksgiving plant I don't expect to be battling any orange armies out there.

Are you referring to the refuges? The refuges in Los Banos, China Island, Salt Slough, will always have birds because they provide year around upland habitat. the numbers will go up and down but there will be birds. Merced has one the largest continuous wetland acreage in the united states between the duck clubs and the refuges. They provide pretty good pheasant habitat providing year around cover for nesting hens. I used to take walks on the China Island unit year around until the DFG started locking up the refuge off season (jerks starting stealing copper from the well pumps). I would see pheasants year around. Where the pheasants are disappearing is on private land. The habitat is no longer there. Farming has become very intensive and even the efficiency has in recent years hurt the pheasant populatons. So has the conversion to permanent and specialty crops. Thirty years ago we hunted pheasants around West Madera and Chowchilla. There were pheasants everywhere. I remember seeing 100 roosters escaping out at the end of a cotton field. You couldn't go out the first day and not see birds. I drove down Road 4 and out to highway 99 a couple of years back. Most of the area is now either planted in almonds or grapes and everything on the ground is sprayed and clean. Pheasants can't survive in that environment. I talked to old man Carlucci a few years back. The family farms property in Dos Palos. They grew field corn that year. He said he hardly ever sees pheasants around Dos Palos/Los Banos anymore. He said a group went pheasant hunting on one of his properties and they caught one pheasant. He was really surprised. Really sad.
 
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Yes, I'm referring to the refuges. Pheasants on private property are a thing of the past, I've heard all the stories but I'm too young to have ever seen first hand. I believe it was '72, Fresno co was #1 in pheasant harvest and #2 in quail. I'm in Madera and can't find enough interest to start a Qf/Of chapter.
 
Yes, I'm referring to the refuges. Pheasants on private property are a thing of the past, I've heard all the stories but I'm too young to have ever seen first hand. I believe it was '72, Fresno co was #1 in pheasant harvest and #2 in quail. I'm in Madera and can't find enough interest to start a Qf/Of chapter.

Too bad you weren't able to experience what it was like in the old days. I have some vivid memories of it. Kind of sad to see what has happened since then. I remember one time in the early eighties driving down Road 4/Lincoln Ave in Madera the first day of pheasant season. There was a cotton field that was still small where Lincoln Ave ends into Avenue 18 1/2. That field was covered with pheasants. It looked like a chicken farm. I had never seen anything like it. We couldn't hunt there, but it was a great site to see regardless.
 
That's Triangle T Ranch. My dad and granpa used to hunt out there. No need for good dogs back then, they just walked them up.:cheers:
 
Are you referring to the refuges? The refuges in Los Banos, China Island, Salt Slough, will always have birds because they provide year around upland habitat. the numbers will go up and down but there will be birds.
Perhaps there are birds in those areas but in the North Valley refuges it is as bad on the wildlife areas as on private land. Some private stuff has birds when the owners/members commit to providing the right environment for the chicks to survive but on the whole pheasant hunting on the northern refuges is non existent and what is shot is now mostly planted birds that are now put on the areas to provide even a little hunting or planted birds that wander onto the areas from adjacent licensed pheasant clubs. As many or more turkeys are now shot on Gray Lodge as pheasants. Hope that turkeys don't get established on those southern wildlife areas that you hunt because they out compete the pheasants for nesting habitat.
 
That's Triangle T Ranch. My dad and granpa used to hunt out there. No need for good dogs back then, they just walked them up.:cheers:

That's funny. I bet your dad and grandpa got a lot of birds out there. I remember driving down Lincoln Road where the levee crosses and as soon as we stopped the pickup this young okie would come barreling down the road and start harassing us about hunting even though we weren't planning on hunting there. We used to hunt the slough that runs through that area. That slough went for miles and had good cover in it. We would always flush birds out of there.
 
Perhaps there are birds in those areas but in the North Valley refuges it is as bad on the wildlife areas as on private land. Some private stuff has birds when the owners/members commit to providing the right environment for the chicks to survive but on the whole pheasant hunting on the northern refuges is non existent and what is shot is now mostly planted birds that are now put on the areas to provide even a little hunting or planted birds that wander onto the areas from adjacent licensed pheasant clubs. As many or more turkeys are now shot on Gray Lodge as pheasants. Hope that turkeys don't get established on those southern wildlife areas that you hunt because they out compete the pheasants for nesting habitat.

That's really unfortunate. I heard refuges around Willits is supposed to be good. I've never been there. I tried Grizzly Island once near Dixon but there are way too many people there for my liking. There are a good number of birds where we are but when the conditions are dry those birds run like hell and you are you lucky to see a fraction of them. They will only stick in real thick cover or where its wet like the tules. Last year I hit it right. I saw about thirty pheasants hunting the 1st half day.
 
Perhaps there are birds in those areas but in the North Valley refuges it is as bad on the wildlife areas as on private land. Some private stuff has birds when the owners/members commit to providing the right environment for the chicks to survive but on the whole pheasant hunting on the northern refuges is non existent and what is shot is now mostly planted birds that are now put on the areas to provide even a little hunting or planted birds that wander onto the areas from adjacent licensed pheasant clubs. As many or more turkeys are now shot on Gray Lodge as pheasants. Hope that turkeys don't get established on those southern wildlife areas that you hunt because they out compete the pheasants for nesting habitat.

Yeah, it's really dismal, eh Cal? I didn't set foot on a refuge last season. This year, with the Lab pup in her first season, I'll have to go at least a couple of times. My hope -- and this might be optimistic -- is that she can encounter one bird per trip on the average, and that includes hens.

The only saving grace is she will see considerable action in Montana in October. Going to be basically a one-week hunting season again, then a bunch of semi-realistic dog-training sessions with a gun out at the club in Corning.
 
That's really unfortunate. I heard refuges around Willits is supposed to be good.
I'm guessing you mean Willows and not Willits. Closest thing to a refuge at Willits is an Indian casino. All the North Valley refuges are poor to very bad. Those 30 pheasants you saw on the 1st half of opening day were more than all the pheasants shot opening day on Gray Lodge last year as I recall. During the great years they'd shoot over 1,400 roosters there on opening day.

I tried Grizzly Island once near Dixon but there are way too many people there for my liking.
The wildlife areas will always have more people than any private land you can hunt even if there aren't many birds.

This year, with the Lab pup in her first season, I'll have to go at least a couple of times. My hope -- and this might be optimistic -- is that she can encounter one bird per trip on the average, and that includes hens.
In my experience young dogs like the smell of turkeys as much as pheasants so you ought to have a chance to get the pupster on something especially on Gray Lodge where you can shoot quail.
A week in Montana is the best kind of head start for a dog. You're going to have a hard time getting the smile off your face after that trip. If you need it, let me know and I can send you a picture of my ex-wife. That'll do it.
 
I know its a haul but if any of you have the time I suggest the trip north, I think you know where I'm talking about. I think I'll make two trips up that way this season.:cheers:
 
In my experience young dogs like the smell of turkeys as much as pheasants so you ought to have a chance to get the pupster on something especially on Gray Lodge where you can shoot quail.
A week in Montana is the best kind of head start for a dog. You're going to have a hard time getting the smile off your face after that trip. If you need it, let me know and I can send you a picture of my ex-wife. That'll do it.

Yeah, but I have a hard time even thinking about quail with a Lab on the ground. I've got two white dogs with long tails that are much more suited to that bird. I will pop a turkey if the pup puts on up in range, though.

Really looking forward to Montana. The reports from up there are all good.
 
I know its a haul but if any of you have the time I suggest the trip north, I think you know where I'm talking about. I think I'll make two trips up that way this season.:cheers:

Unfortunately, I won't be able to swing it. I'll use up all my allotted time (not from work, but from my wife having to do everything with me not around for 11 days) on the Montana trip. It's amazing how much stuff there is to do when you have a very active 6-year-old.
 
I'm guessing you mean Willows and not Willits. Closest thing to a refuge at Willits is an Indian casino. All the North Valley refuges are poor to very bad. Those 30 pheasants you saw on the 1st half of opening day were more than all the pheasants shot opening day on Gray Lodge last year as I recall. During the great years they'd shoot over 1,400 roosters there on opening day.


The wildlife areas will always have more people than any private land you can hunt even if there aren't many birds.


In my experience young dogs like the smell of turkeys as much as pheasants so you ought to have a chance to get the pupster on something especially on Gray Lodge where you can shoot quail.
A week in Montana is the best kind of head start for a dog. You're going to have a hard time getting the smile off your face after that trip. If you need it, let me know and I can send you a picture of my ex-wife. That'll do it.

True always more people on public land, especially now with pheasant numbers either very low or nonexistent on private land. There are significant differences by region. We don't get the crowds that you see at places like Grizzly Island. I think it has to do with proximity to urban areas. I've had people tell me in the past they drive farther to come to our refuge system because they aren't as crowded. Last year was great. One of the reason we saw a lot of birds were that there were few hunters. There was a lot of land where we never came by other hunters. When there are a lot of hunters the first day, they drive the birds out quickly the first morning. I meant Willows. I hear that used to be one of the best areas for hunting wild birds
 
I meant Willows. I hear that used to be one of the best areas for hunting wild birds

It definitely used to be, but those days are long gone and they're not coming back.
 
Yeah I'm staying away from Grizzly Island this year. It's so close to me (and everyone else) that it was easy to just go out there for a half day and get home and still do my HoneyDoo's! It was a lot of work on my young dog when we would only find one Hen on a good day! Pushed a bunch the day after the Junior hunt though! I think I'm going to make as many as I can "North" and then stick to clubs with the pups.
 
It definitely used to be, but those days are long gone and they're not coming back.

A friend of my brothers is a fieldman for one of the rice cooperatives. He is out in that general area driving around to all his grower clients. He said he hardly ever sees any birds driving around the roads anymore. Sad.
 
Yeah I'm staying away from Grizzly Island this year. It's so close to me (and everyone else) that it was easy to just go out there for a half day and get home and still do my HoneyDoo's! It was a lot of work on my young dog when we would only find one Hen on a good day! Pushed a bunch the day after the Junior hunt though! I think I'm going to make as many as I can "North" and then stick to clubs with the pups.

Did you go Grizzy Island the first day? It can get really difficult after the first day depending on hunting pressure. The refuges used to open the refuges the whole week after the first day. I would see people hunting pheasants every day. All that does is drive all the birds off the refuges and onto neighboring private property. Because of the budget cuts, the refuges are now just open on Wednesdays. I hope they keep it that way. Keep some pressure off the birds. When there were a lot of hunters on our refuge even on good years, it got really tough after midday. Few birds caught.
 
Did you go Grizzy Island the first day? It can get really difficult after the first day depending on hunting pressure. The refuges used to open the refuges the whole week after the first day. I would see people hunting pheasants every day. All that does is drive all the birds off the refuges and onto neighboring private property. Because of the budget cuts, the refuges are now just open on Wednesdays. I hope they keep it that way. Keep some pressure off the birds. When there were a lot of hunters on our refuge even on good years, it got really tough after midday. Few birds caught.

Yeah, I went opening day. It was busy and we didn't have any luck. Are you saying this season they will only be open on Wed.? They were open every weekend and Wed last season.
 
Yeah, I went opening day. It was busy and we didn't have any luck. Are you saying this season they will only be open on Wed.? They were open every weekend and Wed last season.

Sorry if my message was confusing. As far as I know the season is the same as last year as you have stated. It used to be that the first week following the opener, the refuges were open everyday Monday thru Friday the first week for pheasant. That required agents to be at the refuges everyday. To save money during the budget crisis, the state closed the refuges everyday during the first week except Wednesdays. I actually prefer that. There are a couple of places nearby me that aren't open for pheasants the first day but open up for pheasants on another day. Kesterson is one. Nice hunt to try when you can't make the first day, Those birds haven't been chased around yet.
 
To save money during the budget crisis, the state closed the refuges everyday during the first week except Wednesdays. I actually prefer that.

Sort of the case but not quite. Up in the north valley the pheasant hunting got so poor that there weren't enough pheasant hunters on the weekdays to justify having a crew in the check station all day. Having 6 guys in the station to process 10 hunters all day doesn't make sense.
If the hunting was as good as it once was and hunter numbers were up they'd be open like they used to be. There is still some hunting on the first monday and on the first monday and tuesday but not on thursday or friday anymore.
 
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