That is funny... I showed up for a charity trap shoot one afternoon with my 1905 LC Smith 12b and shot the best round of my life (89). I ended up spending the next hour with the old guys talking about the gun. They were all shooting dedicated TRAP guns from Kohlar, Perazzi, Kreighoff, etc. and it blew them away that this old Elsie could shoot and looked good doing it. LOL I know from the LC Smith collector letter that it was ordered as a live pigeon gun by a gentleman in NY. The 30" tubes are really full and really full.