pointing labs

kgpcr said:
I have a PL and i could not be happier! Will she cover as much as an english setter. No she wont but there is not a pointer out there that can hold a candle to her in the cattails. She thinks they are Gods gift to her. She will point as long as the bird is not moving. Bird moves so does she. Perfect in my book. She can run from morning untill dark and not miss a beat
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I am by far an expert but IMO thats what a guy needs in a dog. Mine works close but points and moves with the bird. I don't get the post that said you want a dog with a strong pointing instinct. I have seen way too many english pointers point everything in the field fooled by a leaf blowing or a field bird this was hunting quail though btw. But the way pheasants run I feel you need a dog that keeps with them unless you just want a lot of pictures.
 
I agree with some here that said it is in the breeding. Look at what that pup is doing Shadow in showing. That to me proves it is all in the breeding........Bob
 
I've found this thread very interesting. One reason because my lab points. And I mean points! Yet, one of the messages that's coming across is because of mixed breeding. How can that be when my lab (and I'm sure others) comes from a long line of AKC registered labs?

Interestingly, tomorrow I'm sending a saliva sample from Ruby to the Van Andel Institute where dna tests are being done to determine if there is a dna link why some labs point and some don't.
 
Dewey said:
I've found this thread very interesting. One reason because my lab points. And I mean points! Yet, one of the messages that's coming across is because of mixed breeding. How can that be when my lab (and I'm sure others) comes from a long line of AKC registered labs?

Interestingly, tomorrow I'm sending a saliva sample from Ruby to the Van Andel Institute where dna tests are being done to determine if there is a dna link why some labs point and some don't.
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Its not that! They want to breed the labs to the pointers so the Pointers retrieve!!:D :D
 
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Haha. Yeah I'd like some of that retrieving blood in my pointer but I don't want a mix breed dog. I will say you can teach a pointer to retrieve but you can't teach a lab to point. Why do we have to be such dog racists. We all like our different breeds. This post was asking about PLs I'd like to see this post stay on track I like the PL as a breed.
 
Bob- he's 2 &1/2 now- 47lbs- what you see is the way it is

am chuckling- someone said be honest about all the many fales points
always with me- dscourage false points early-
mine like to run- if they stop it's for a reason:)

course my female is a bit old- think she needs the rest-

heck- I've got nothing against a PL- if it'll cover ground, run in all weather, hold a point till you flush, retrieve but not fight for a bird, back another on point, not point fur, not make lots of false ponts, not need a shcoker collar, and not need constant dirrection from whistles or hollowering- no reason me and one of my Britt's wouldn't go out with
 
Shadow, Gunne was 10 months on the 5th and was 40 pounds a month or so ago at the Vet's. He feels heavier now, I bet they will be about the same size. On false points, You are right they only stop when they have a reason. I have always felt there was a bird there recently or why else would they point the spot. I find them encouraging. Usually it isn't very long and the next point is hot and we get some action. By the way, that adult with pup on point has the exact same face as Tony.......Bob
 
Radar said:
Haha. Yeah I'd like some of that retrieving blood in my pointer but I don't want a mix breed dog. I will say you can teach a pointer to retrieve but you can't teach a lab to point. Why do we have to be such dog racists. We all like our different breeds. This post was asking about PLs I'd like to see this post stay on track I like the PL as a breed.
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I agree, pointing Lab discussion is the topic. Please keep it that way so as not to go "Bad". Keep ego's about shock collars out as well. It is a multi million dollar industry because people use them.

Now about a pointing lab, Well I personally don't want one but, I do see a type of person that they work well for. You just need to look at the type of dog they are go and see them and see if they fit what you are looking for. I don't personally believe in the concept but OH well. I believe a Lab is a flusher thats all. Hope you find the dog your looking for, but if not like the one you do find. Good luck
 
While I certainly appreciate a pointing dog for covey birds like bobwhites, there is a reason that the Springer spaniel is severely penalized in a field trial for "pointing". Any hesitation in flushing a wild pheasant gives it a better chance to escape.

I guess the reason some people want a "point" from their lab is because it gives them a better chance to get a closer/easier shot but really, a pheasant is one of the easiest game birds to hit. (compared to grouse, huns, etc) I personally find shooting pheasants over a flushing dog to be much more enjoyable.
 
Back in the fall of 1956. I went Pheasant Hunting for the first time with 2 guys from the Navel Base I was stationed at. This one guy had a Black Pointing Lab. Her name was Lady, she was a Registered Dog and a excellent Hunting Dog. Her owner had her bred to a Male Registered Pointing Lab. He wanted to keep the Pointing Genes in tact and pure. I wanted one of those pups for I was highly impressed with the way Lady hunted. I asked about them when I learned they had been born. I learned they were so high priced I could not afford one a Sailors Pay. I found out later I could not have gotten one anyway. The Pups were all sold before they were whelped. I tell this to show they were very popular way back then. There was no mixed breeding to get the Lab to point at that point in time. I have no idea where the pointing genes came from in the lab......Bob
 
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steele said:
Mr. Driggs, I was just agreeing with some of the posts in this thread about the nature and breeding of pointing labs. I've attached another foto of a pointing lab in action. I'm sure you will appreciate the foto.
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Looks to me like he's pointing the camera.
 
jsdriggs said:
I have serious concerns about anyone who would hunt their dog in 100+ degrees.

That is so dangerous. A bird, I mean a stupid frickin bird, is not worth my dogs (ie- best friends) life.
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if you lived in Kansas for 40 years and hunted upland every weekend you'd know our weather varies quite a bit
 
Shadow said:
Bob- he's 2 &1/2 now- 47lbs- what you see is the way it is

am chuckling- someone said be honest about all the many fales points
always with me- dscourage false points early-
mine like to run- if they stop it's for a reason:)

course my female is a bit old- think she needs the rest-

heck- I've got nothing against a PL- if it'll cover ground, run in all weather, hold a point till you flush, retrieve but not fight for a bird, back another on point, not point fur, not make lots of false ponts, not need a shcoker collar, and not need constant dirrection from whistles or hollowering- no reason me and one of my Britt's wouldn't go out with
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All these issues you point out have to do with training and/or breeding and could be said about any breed. They are not inherent in the pointing lab. Labs are very trainable.
 
FCS she wont go get me a beer but she is great company while i drink mine as long as i give her a little taste.
 
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