pointing labs

Dogs will reward you when you take them hunting!! FC i have a Jake litter on the ground now woould you like a male or female??:D:D

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jsdriggs said:
Still no excuse. Weather varies here also. Heck it varies everywhere. It still isn't wise to hunt dogs in hot weather.
But you know your pups better than anyone. And the situations in which that happened. I understand.
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hundreds of days it's been in the 80+- sun beating down- dogs get hot- water- just as bad hunting these dogs is -20- there are many that say mine can't go in -20- they'll freeze to death- I've had mine breaking ice- laying in streams when it's real cold-

I also had an English Pointer up in north Minnesota and one winter it was 40 below for awhile- she liked running in the snow- but always had a warm place to lay

best not jump someone about how it's wrong or inhumane when they've had a few different type dogs in all kinds of weather for 49 years
 
Getting kinda heated on here.... Here is my thought on "pointing labs".... Dogs just as most animals are instinctive... This meaning that they do what they are designed to do... My question is why would you want to try to make a Lab which is designed to flush and retrieve be a pointing dog... You are going to try to make it do something that it doesn't want to do... This making it a once in a while pointer... If you want a lab that points then you should look for a dog that is mixed with a lab and a pointer... I say this because I have a dog that I rescued as a young pup that is half black lab and half Wiemaraner.... He has been the most amazing dog I have ever had... He will hold a point like a rock and then in the next breath jump in the lake and retrieve a duck....
 
KCWEIM, you are missing the point of this thread. There are 2 Registered Pure Bred Breed of Labrador. One Flushes, the other Points, if you like labs, that gives you choice of which you prefer. The Pointing Registered Lab has been around for over 50 years that I know of. They are a very good hunting dog and should given every respect they deserve.........Bob
 
Fair enough... I didn't read the whole thing..... Just seems ass backwards to me.... Kind of like getting a German Short hair and wanting it to retrieve ducks....
 
KCWIEM said:
Fair enough... I didn't read the whole thing..... Just seems ass backwards to me.... Kind of like getting a German Short hair and wanting it to retrieve ducks....
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I'd suspect that this "pointing lab" fiasco started via a lab that was flawed as a lab. That is a dog that hesitated at the flush instead of producing a strong flush and whoever's dog it was twisted it around into being this awesome new thing - "a pointing lab"! Flushers should flush strong, not hesitate!
 
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I'd suspect that this "pointing lab" fiasco started via a lab that was flawed as a lab. That is a dog that hesitated at the flush instead of producing a strong flush and whoever's dog it was twisted it around into being this awesome new thing - "a pointing lab"! Flushers should flush strong, not hesitate!
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Well now if you want to go buy what a lab should do then they dont flush or point just retrieve... or at least that is what the Labrador club says.:D But who are they? Just some commie Organization who change the rules and standards to benefit them and whoever they are in bed with.. They created a standard then changed it when all the british labs were winning in the show ring, so they raised the standards so those little british labs were not in the standard anymore,, so who said a lab cant point were was it ever written that they should not be allowed to do something that comes natural to quite a few of them?

FC He just keeps bringing me beer after beer, I may have to og into detox if he doesnt stop, I created a monster:D:D
 
Were can one get pointing labs from a quality breeder? There are a number of pointing lab breeders in Indiana but i have no idea if any of them sell quality dogs.

My question about regular labs, people say that they are a flushing breed. Do they do there job like springer spaniels quartering back and forth and not to far infront of their handlers? Or do they just run around randomly till they find abird and then flush it?

I would like to know becuase I love the lab breed and how trainable and smart they are. If i can get one that will hunt pheasant in a way that makes it easier and efficient to do so with a lab then im all for it.
 
yep fcspringer, i just watched his videos and went to his website. When i get my tax return back i intend to purchase a pup from him. Id rather pay for a quality pup then get a questionably breed pup from local breeders that dont hunt test or hunt or even have websites for that matter..

It seems from the videos i have seen that the pointing lab is just what i need.
 
I took my lab out this weekend with the neigbor and his son. The goal was to give his son an opportunity to get his first rooster, but I had a secondary goal in mind after following this thread. Usually when I hunt Ruby, I tell her to flush the bird when I'm ready. This time I decided to see who would move first. I never once told her to flush instead let the hunter try to flush the bird. Ruby never once broke point until the bird flushed by itself or from the hunter.

So what's wrong with a lab that aggressively works the field, but points instead of flushes when she finds a bird? I really like the fact that I have time to close up any distance and be ready for a shot.

As I've said before, Ruby was not advertised as a pointer, but it was natural from day one. When Ruby retires from the hunting days, the next dog will be another pointing lab. I so much enjoy hunting with this one.

Oh yea, Connor did get his first rooster. Undisputed, he was the only one that shot! :)
 
Dewey said:
I took my lab out this weekend with the neigbor and his son. The goal was to give his son an opportunity to get his first rooster, but I had a secondary goal in mind after following this thread. Usually when I hunt Ruby, I tell her to flush the bird when I'm ready. This time I decided to see who would move first. I never once told her to flush instead let the hunter try to flush the bird. Ruby never once broke point until the bird flushed by itself or from the hunter.

So what's wrong with a lab that aggressively works the field, but points instead of flushes when she finds a bird? I really like the fact that I have time to close up any distance and be ready for a shot.

As I've said before, Ruby was not advertised as a pointer, but it was natural from day one. When Ruby retires from the hunting days, the next dog will be another pointing lab. I so much enjoy hunting with this one.

Oh yea, Connor did get his first rooster. Undisputed, he was the only one that shot! :)
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The difference is in a open field you can wear warm boots when they point compared to have to wear tennis shoes and jogging shorts when they flush,,:D:D
 
keskam said:
The difference is in a open field you can wear warm boots when they point compared to have to wear tennis shoes and jogging shorts when they flush,,:D:D
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Interesting, that's the same difference between hunting pen raised birds and wild birds. Must be a strong correlation between the two. Happy hunting.
 
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Mordis said:
yep fcspringer, i just watched his videos and went to his website. When i get my tax return back i intend to purchase a pup from him. Id rather pay for a quality pup then get a questionably breed pup from local breeders that dont hunt test or hunt or even have websites for that matter..

It seems from the videos i have seen that the pointing lab is just what i need.
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Now part of that I have to dissagree with. Yes I have a site now, but only as of a few months ago. I find it a pain, fought it for quite a while. Many folks are not computer people and don't bother with them. "Do NOT" ever judge dogs on a web site alone. There is plenty of crap out there on line as well. Go watch the dogs.

The most successful Springer Pro in history for example, that breeds does not have a web site, yet people find him. He laughs and says he never will, doesn't even email. Yet he has won more Nationals then anyone. I consider him a good friend. I know of many that don't have a site. It has not been long in history of dogs that web sites have been in play. So if one goes by that, you will be missing out on some of the nicest dogs around. Just a thought.
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I've seen several forum discussions regarding pointing labs, and I've noticed a few things that are consistent across all of them. There seems to be very strong feelings on both sides, with the discussion being spurred on by the many people who feel that "it ain't natural".

But the one thing I can't get past is that, without exception, everyone who actually owns a PL says it's the greatest dog they've ever had and they would never consider owning anything else.

That speaks volumes.
 
FCS, your right i shouldnt judge a dog breeder by his lack of a website. I raised that issue becuase I googled hunting dogs and Gundogbreeders.com comes up for my area. Most of the links on that sight only give a very vauge description and most of them dont have any websites at all only a phone number and email. I have no way of knowing if they guy is legit and hunts and trials his dogs or is just a BYB.

I like it when they have websites becuase then i can see if they have hunt trials and other proof of abilities. I just trying to find a easy way to weed out the the BYB from the quality guys.

Tho it looks like the weeding process is going to get alot more involved if i also look at the guys without websites.
 
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