I would definitely stay away from pointing labs. They are inbred with other pointers and that is the only good quality about them. They fight all the time and are extremely lazy ( see attached photo). If I were going to buy a dog for pheasants I would purchase a pointer. The harder the point the better. Stick with the pointers.
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wesslpointer
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Thats why I went to the wesslpointer they are a POINTER
The pointing lab concept sounds like a good one to me, but it seems like it will take a long time for it to come to real fruition. Fromwhat i have read, its hit or miss with the dogs. There not breeding consistantly good pointing/retrieveing dogs. Now if the breed was perfected, i would be all over that.
A dog with the labradors awesome intellegence and trainability with a good sollid pointing instinct, would be freaking awesome. But as of right now and the foreseeable future they are no where near perfected. Maybe 50 years from now but not anytime soon.
A dog with the labradors awesome intellegence and trainability with a good sollid pointing instinct, would be freaking awesome. But as of right now and the foreseeable future they are no where near perfected. Maybe 50 years from now but not anytime soon.
wesslpointer
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50 years if your forced to follow AKC guidelines not if you create a new breed see www.wesslpointer.com
I heard that the point is just the moment before the pounce. My boxer pup started pointing in the yard. The boxer is also the same male that squats to pee. He mimics my pointer day in and day out. I have nothing against pointing labs. I just find it hard on a heavier dog to run the field year after year.
My hunting dog is a pointer. She is a mix Viszla/Wiem under 50lbs. long straight legs. Crosses are not bad but we fixed her. I would rather have more than one hunting dog than have a dog not built to run hard. I own a boxer but he doesn't go hunting. He has great nose though. In any breed you can find biddable and driven dogs that will retrieve. Just take your time and find the right breeder. How many other breeds came from already established dogs? Gotta start somewhere.
Steele, I don't know how many pointing labs you have been around, but my two are the friendliest dogs in the neighborhood. I wouldn't put up with unfriendly labs, because that is what they are famous for (besides being great for hunting).
As for lab breeders trying to make pointers out of labs, it is much worse to breed all of the various color schemes into good lab stock. IMHO, the best labs tend to be those that the breeder has kept with the original BLACK color.
As for lab breeders trying to make pointers out of labs, it is much worse to breed all of the various color schemes into good lab stock. IMHO, the best labs tend to be those that the breeder has kept with the original BLACK color.
Shadow
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I'm intrigued- she's from a great line of pointing labs- but she doesn't really point- because you didn't train her for that- you think we train ours to point
and you say she can run with any pointer- tell me- I have 3 Britt's who like to hunt at 200-500 yards- point and hold- yet yours can easily run with them-
explain what you mean- can hunt all day with any pointer-
are you letting yours get out there to run like a pointer
I've got 4 Garmins- you saying yours will cover as much ground-
not jumping you- just wondering- mine can cover a 1/2 mile field fairly quick-
and I know of a couple pointers I'm not sure mine can cover as much- reason I ask- your's can cover as fast and as well as any
and you say she can run with any pointer- tell me- I have 3 Britt's who like to hunt at 200-500 yards- point and hold- yet yours can easily run with them-
explain what you mean- can hunt all day with any pointer-
are you letting yours get out there to run like a pointer
I've got 4 Garmins- you saying yours will cover as much ground-
not jumping you- just wondering- mine can cover a 1/2 mile field fairly quick-
and I know of a couple pointers I'm not sure mine can cover as much- reason I ask- your's can cover as fast and as well as any
Dewey
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I need to share this story about my pointing lab. Once our group of three saw a rooster fly into a short cedar strip. I went in with Ruby to see if she could find it. Almost to the end, she locked up on the bird. I yelled at my friends that she had found the bird and someone should get at the end, some one on the far side and I'll try to cover the near side. All this time Ruby was still hard locked on the bird. The other guys finally said they were ready so I told Ruby to flush the bird. Only at my command did she pounce into the cedar and flush the rooster.
If the bird would have moved, Ruby would have repositioned by herself. Otherwise, it's a stare down between the Ruby and the bird until instructed otherwise. There's plenty of other pointing labs that will do the same thing.
Shadow
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thanks- explains it- by the Garmin mine run pretty much at 12.8 mph-
sounds like your lab has wheels- I'm not one for the shock collar
I've never been afield with a PL that could run with pointers-
course- being that good ones can be out of sight- you couldn't expect one to enjoy if the PL didn't always back
oh- when I say mine can cover a 1/2 mile field- meaning- they can find out if there are any birds or not-
I've hunted every Britt I've had on ducks, pot hole jumping and sitting a blind-
doesn't take a PL to be an all arround dog
Shadow
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good point Dewey- my Britt's have done it in -20- to +100 degrees
PL's- I'm sure there are some real good ones- some say they are way better in the water than Britt's- as good at ground covering, as good at handling the temp extremes, as good at pointing, as good at backing
and don't need to be trained to point, back, and retrieve- because it's bred into them- there's where I have to kind of laugh
I haven't trained my two pups
PL's- I'm sure there are some real good ones- some say they are way better in the water than Britt's- as good at ground covering, as good at handling the temp extremes, as good at pointing, as good at backing
and don't need to be trained to point, back, and retrieve- because it's bred into them- there's where I have to kind of laugh
I haven't trained my two pups
pheasantaddict
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Your being vague with pointer and covering ground. There's alot of different pointing breeds and not all run big. Guys with EP wouldn't think your Britts run big or fast, yet they might be able to.
Shadow
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good point- I've had an English pointer and an English Setter- I've had a couple big running Britt's-
I've got three that can run with anything- but I choose to work at keeping them inside 1/4 mile
pretty sure if I hit the field with a big runner mine will want to go along-
that's why I said- explain your PL can run with any pointer-
I don't think I was vague- dog with wheels is a dog with wheels- put a Garmin on a dog and turn it loose- if it doesn't point or back- 2 hours- does it have wheels or not
to many- Pointer- means Pointer- as in the old- English pointer-
I've got three that can run with anything- but I choose to work at keeping them inside 1/4 mile
pretty sure if I hit the field with a big runner mine will want to go along-
that's why I said- explain your PL can run with any pointer-
I don't think I was vague- dog with wheels is a dog with wheels- put a Garmin on a dog and turn it loose- if it doesn't point or back- 2 hours- does it have wheels or not
to many- Pointer- means Pointer- as in the old- English pointer-
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wesslpointer
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I think there's a big misconception. You cant TRAIN A DOG TO POINT. You can teach A dog to STAND a bird! A prolonged pounce. In A true pointer, its in there brain, they cant help it. They do it faster than they can think. ITS in there DNA. Hope this helps.
Shadow
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quite ok- I've never found the need of a shock collar to get a handle on my bird dogs- I can't see sweet talking a shock collar saying "only use the tone"
quite simple actually- take it off and go afield with another good dog- your dog doesn't hold point or back- you carry it- if it's a pointing dog- if it's not a pointing dog- then state that- so the other person understands and can make the choice to go or not
I'm Old School- because I learned about good pointing dogs and hunters in the early 70's- noone ever needed a shock collar- and we were running 7-12 dogs at once-
sure it's a tool- but what about the folks who have good dogs and have never had a shock collar- you've got a real top notch pointing dog- you shouldn't need a shock collar on
quite simple actually- take it off and go afield with another good dog- your dog doesn't hold point or back- you carry it- if it's a pointing dog- if it's not a pointing dog- then state that- so the other person understands and can make the choice to go or not
I'm Old School- because I learned about good pointing dogs and hunters in the early 70's- noone ever needed a shock collar- and we were running 7-12 dogs at once-
sure it's a tool- but what about the folks who have good dogs and have never had a shock collar- you've got a real top notch pointing dog- you shouldn't need a shock collar on
The reason I suggested a pointer was purely for conservation. There will be more roosters left in the field. I was just poking fun at a couple of ridiculous posts in the thread. Since no PL people responded I thought I'd stir the pot. If every one hunts with a pointing lab seasons will be shortened and limits lowered.
Pointing labs are as stated, multipurpose. Not many pointing types will make 200 yard blind retrieves in the Ohio river.
IMO
on the average
pointers cover more ground. So a lab is a little slower, you will still get your birds.
The pointers I've seen are able to hunt at an older age to 14 years or more. I haven't been able to get that out of my labs.
Never trained a pointer, but most labs are natural retrievers and the pointing lab line even though some may not point are very birdy.
How many false points do you pointer guys get? Come on be honest, those pheasasnts sure can run. The pointers I've hunted with false point on a regular basis. If you are hunting the short easy walking grass of SD with lots of birds a pointer would be fine, but here in Ohio where birds are few and the cover is heavier I think a flushing lab that can run them down would be better. Maybe when I'm old and can't run I'll get a pointer, nah. I'll still hunt waterfowl. If I were a grouse hunter I'd definetly go with a pointer. I put out 2 fresh pheasant skins for two 20 week old pups. First time they smelled a bird. They didn't point but the female curled her front leg. Hopefully I'll get them on planted birds. Both dogs should point.
Pointing labs are as stated, multipurpose. Not many pointing types will make 200 yard blind retrieves in the Ohio river.
IMO
on the average
pointers cover more ground. So a lab is a little slower, you will still get your birds.
The pointers I've seen are able to hunt at an older age to 14 years or more. I haven't been able to get that out of my labs.
Never trained a pointer, but most labs are natural retrievers and the pointing lab line even though some may not point are very birdy.
How many false points do you pointer guys get? Come on be honest, those pheasasnts sure can run. The pointers I've hunted with false point on a regular basis. If you are hunting the short easy walking grass of SD with lots of birds a pointer would be fine, but here in Ohio where birds are few and the cover is heavier I think a flushing lab that can run them down would be better. Maybe when I'm old and can't run I'll get a pointer, nah. I'll still hunt waterfowl. If I were a grouse hunter I'd definetly go with a pointer. I put out 2 fresh pheasant skins for two 20 week old pups. First time they smelled a bird. They didn't point but the female curled her front leg. Hopefully I'll get them on planted birds. Both dogs should point.
kgpcr
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I have a PL and i could not be happier! Will she cover as much as an english setter. No she wont but there is not a pointer out there that can hold a candle to her in the cattails. She thinks they are Gods gift to her. She will point as long as the bird is not moving. Bird moves so does she. Perfect in my book. She can run from morning untill dark and not miss a beat