Neutering a pointer

wolfcreeknc

wolfcreeknc

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OK, don't ask me why; ask my wife why....:mad:
Will neutering a 4 year old Brittney affect his hunting in any way? Birds that is;)
Thanks in advance for any advice on this one.
Wolf
 
Not one bit.

But it also isnt going to change an unwanted male behaviours, if that is why the wife is wanting him altered. If he lifts, he is still going to lift and mark.

I think that is the biggest misconception that the early spay and neuter happy vets passed on. Altering does not change a dogs disposition or attitude. They are who they are.

If I went and got spayed tomorrow, im still going to be who i am.

he will be fine.:)
 
Hunting ability will not be affected. You will find you need to feed a bit less food, and the dogs desire to mark will diminish some what.

Steve
 
Good topic. Was actually going to post one similar, so I hope I am not hijacking, but I think we are in the same situation.

My wife is bugging me to fix my boy. He is very excited a lot. Excited meaning he likes my wife's throw pillows, blankets, and my daughters large teddy bears a little more than he should. She thinks that fixing him will eliminate the unwanted excitement. A lady she works with is telling her that their male stopped violating their pillows all together after neutering him....I don't buy it. The other thing that is happening is, when he gets very excited, he will have a little bit of blood at the tip of his man part. I read online that it can be normal? Seems worse in the morning when he first wakes and is all giggity.

Going to have a talk with my vet, who specializes in reproduction and see what she says, but in the meantime, any ammo I can get to fire back at the wife would be appreciated. While I really have no plans of studding him because I don't want to do the whole hunt test thing, if someone would ever want to do a casual breeding with him I would be all for it. His genetics are top notch.
 
The blood thing is very strange indeed. I havent heard of that and I would ask the vet. I am sure it isnt a big deal..............But I would want to know and I would like to know what the vet says.
I have a male that I have studded out several times and have never heard of this.

The humping thing I would just correct with an off or leave it command.

A behavior like marking becomes habitual and isnt stopped by altering a dog. As an example, I have a 9 year old female that was altered at 3 years old, that still marks. I believe that if the dog was altered early on, say a year or 2yrs old, then there is a chance that it could have been curbed.

I used to advocate altering pretty hard, I worked in animal control as a vet tech. After putting down countless dogs and cats, it kinda makes you want to push altering. But anymore I dont really care. Whatever works for the owner, so long as they are being responsible.

I know oyu said you dont want to do the field testing thing. But it really isnt all that bad and can be fun. I have met a lot of great dog people this way.

Good luck
 
mstand said:
The blood thing is very strange indeed. I havent heard of that and I would ask the vet. I am sure it isnt a big deal..............But I would want to know and I would like to know what the vet says.
I have a male that I have studded out several times and have never heard of this.

The humping thing I would just correct with an off or leave it command.

A behavior like marking becomes habitual and isnt stopped by altering a dog. As an example, I have a 9 year old female that was altered at 3 years old, that still marks. I believe that if the dog was altered early on, say a year or 2yrs old, then there is a chance that it could have been curbed.

I used to advocate altering pretty hard, I worked in animal control as a vet tech. After putting down countless dogs and cats, it kinda makes you want to push altering. But anymore I dont really care. Whatever works for the owner, so long as they are being responsible.

I know oyu said you dont want to do the field testing thing. But it really isnt all that bad and can be fun. I have met a lot of great dog people this way.

Good luck
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I will let you know what the vet says about the bleeding. Reading online some say that it can happen when there is an in heat female around? Don't know, but he isn't urinating blood, just a drip every once in a while and he doesn't seem to be bothered so I am not too concerned.

Regarding the field testing, I really wish I would have the time, but I don't. I could pay someone to do it for me, but that doesn't seem like the right way to do it.
 
Neutering has been linked to a higher incidence of ACl ruptures and wont change the dogs behavior

If you are responsible and can prevent accidental breedings I would not do it
 
Thanks everyone for these great insights. Our deal is not marking but his behavior like Holymoses noted except with our boys when they start getting wild it really stirs our Britt up and wants to get in on the action in an inappropriate way. Keep the inputs going; I will talk to my niece over Christmas as well, she is finishing up Vet school and let you-all know what her thoughts are.
Merry Christmas to all!
Wolf
 
wolfcreeknc said:
OK, don't ask me why; ask my wife why....:mad:
Will neutering a 4 year old Brittney affect his hunting in any way? Birds that is;)
Thanks in advance for any advice on this one.
Wolf
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Will not affect hunting ability.

There is some credence though to not neutering till the dog is 2 years old though and fully developed. The reasoning is that dogs neutered early (e.g 6 months) may not fully develop muscle wise thus having the tendency to be taller and leggy, lacking muscle mass they otherwise would have had.

I don't know that this is factually correct nor have I witnessed this as I have normally neutered much later than that. I have seen enough people mention this on various boards though to think there may be some truth to it??
 
In my experience neutering the dog may or may not stop humping, marking or other undesireable behavior. Those traits seem to differ by dog. My current male is pretty alpha and never humps, or grinds at all and he is intact. The last two were the same. I have had friends that have neutered theirs and the humping has not decreased. Maybe you need to get him a girlfriend, or an old doll or something:D.
 
Here read this... if you really want a lot of info to make your decision look this over and investigate what ever points you feel helpful




Basis for Position on Mandatory Spay-Neuter in the Canine and Feline
The American College of Theriogenologists (ACT) is the certifying college for veterinarians board certified in
reproduction (specialists) and the Society for Theriogenology (SFT) is an organization of veterinarians with a
special interest in reproduction in veterinary medicine. The ACT and SFT believe that companion animals
not intended for breeding should be spayed or neutered; however, both organizations believe that the
decision to spay or neuter a pet must be made on a case by case basis, taking into consideration the
pet?s age, breed, sex, intended use, household environment and temperament. The use of generalized
rules concerning gonadectomy (removal of the ovaries or testes) is not in the best interest of the health
or well-being of the pets or their owners. Each of the following considerations must be assessed for each
individual animal and household.
1) Health concerns
a. Research has shown that there can be positive effects of the sex steroid hormones. The sex
steroids are hormones produced by the ovaries and testes, and are only present in intact males
and females. Gonadectomy at any age deprives the body of the positive health effects of these
hormones. Although in most cases, the benefits of spay-neuter outweigh the benefits of
exposure to the sex steroids, this is not true in all cases. Since gonadectomy prior to puberty or
sexual maturity may make the risks of some diseases higher in certain breeds or individuals, the
option to leave an animal intact must be available to the pet owner.
i. Advantages of remaining intact:
1. There is a decreased incidence of hemangiosarcoma in intact bitches and
dogs.
2. There is a decreased incidence of osteosarcoma in intact male and female
dogs.
3. There is a decreased risk of transitional cell carcinoma in intact dogs and
bitches.
4. There is a decreased risk of prostatic adenocarcinoma in intact male dogs
compared to gonadectomized male dogs.
5. There is a decreased incidence of obesity in intact male and female dogs and
cats, which may be due at least partly to increased metabolic rate.
6. There is a decreased incidence of urinary incontinence in intact bitches
(equivocal if bitches are spayed after 5 months but before their first heat).
7. There may be a reduced incidence of urinary tract infection in intact bitches.
8. There may be a reduced incidence of feline lower urinary tract disease
(FLUTD) in intact male and female cats which may be partly due to decreased
obesity in these animals.
9. There may be a reduced incidence of autoimmune thyroiditis and
hypothyroidism in intact male and female dogs.
10. There is a decreased incidence of diabetes mellitus in intact female cats and a
possibly reduced incidence in diabetes mellitus in intact male dogs.
11. There is a reduced incidence of cranial cruciate rupture in intact male and
female dogs.
12. There may be a reduced incidence of hip dysplasia in male and female dogs
that are not gonadectomized before 5 months of age.
13. There may be an increased incidence of capital physeal fractures in castrated
male cats that may be partially due to increased weight gain in gonadectomized
males.
b. Research has shown that there are a number of detrimental effects of the sex steroid
hormones. Spaying and neutering will remove these hormones and thus lower the risk of these
conditions.
i. Advantages of being spayed or castrated:
The Boards of Directors of the Society
for Theriogenology and the American
College of Theriogenologists
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1. There is an increased risk of mammary, testicular, and ovarian neoplasia in
intact male and female dogs and cats.
a. There is an increased risk of mammary cancer with each subsequent
cycle and the benefit of spaying does not disappear until the animal
reaches old age.
i. Mammary cancer is one of the most common types of
neoplasia in small animals.
1. Mammary neoplasia is malignant 60% of the time in
dogs and 90% of the time in cats.
b. The incidence and mortality risk for ovarian cancer are very low
c. The incidence for testicular cancer is more common but malignancy
and mortality are very low.
2. There is an increased risk of pyometra in both intact female dogs and cats and
this risk increases with increasing age.
3. There is an increased risk of prostatitis, benign prostatic hyperplasia, prostatic
cysts and squamous metaplasia of the prostate in intact male dogs.
4. There is a decreased incidence of perineal and inguinal hernia and perineal
adenoma in neutered male dogs.
c. Based on the research available, it is clear there are a number of health benefits of the
sex steroid hormones and that this benefit varies with age, sex, and breed. Therefore,
although spay-neuter is the responsible choice for most pets, it is in the best interest of
each individual patient for its veterinarian to assess the risks and benefits of
gonadectomy and to advise his/her clients on what is appropriate for each individual pet
at each stage of its life.
2) Behavioral concerns
a. Research has shown that there are positive effects of the sex steroid hormones on behavior.
i. Advantages of remaining intact:
1. There is a decrease in shyness and hiding behavior in intact male and female
cats.
2. There may be less aggression towards people and animals in intact bitches.
3. There may be a decreased incidence of cognitive dysfunction in intact male and
female dogs.
b. Research has shown that there are negative effects of the sex steroid hormones on behavior.
i. Advantages of being spayed or castrated:
1. Inter-dog aggression may be due to competition for available territory or
availability of cycling animals.
2. Urine spraying and inter-animal aggression is increased in intact male cats.
3. There is a decreased risk of wandering and being hit by a car in neutered
animals.
3) Provision of quality medical care
a. It is not in the animals? best interest to have the legislature dictate the time or need for surgical
treatment.
i. This does not allow for medical decisions based on the individual animal?s needs, its
owners? needs or the needs of the household.
1. Animals with medical conditions that may result in complications during
anesthesia or surgery (i.e. heart murmurs, bleeding disorders).
2. Providing appropriate aftercare for surgical patients may not be feasible in
some home situations.
b. Restricting and reducing the pool of purebred animals will greatly hinder medical research of
conditions that are particular to specific breeds, slowing down advances in medical and surgical
knowledge. This may in turn impact the research available concerning health conditions
common to both animals and people.
4) Public Health concerns
a. Making spay/neuter mandatory for licensure may make the public more hesitant to seek
veterinary assistance because they are afraid of fines and legal repercussions as a result of
failing to spay or neuter their pets by the prescribed time. By avoiding veterinary care for their
pets, animals will be at increased risk of inadequate routine vaccination (including rabies) and
inadequate deworming programs which may in turn result in increased transmission of disease
to the public.
The ACT and SFT make the following recommendations to continue moving toward effective methods of
reducing the number of abandoned, unwanted and euthanized dogs and cats in the US and other countries
where similar problems exist.
a. Provide increased jurisdictional control to the AVMA Governmental Relations division, Animal
Welfare Committee, and the APHIS-Animal Care division.
b. Ensure suppliers to pet stores are providing adequate care for breeding stock and offspring.
c. Support programs to expand the public awareness of pet overpopulation, acceptable breeding
standards, and responsibilities of pet ownership. Provide the public a means to access assistance
with concerns of pet health, ownership, behavior and management issues.
d. Work with state and local rescue and humane societies to assemble accurate data on causes for
relinquishment of dogs and cats to enable these organizations, federal and local governments, and
veterinary organizations to address the fundamental causes of abandonment.
e. Provide low cost spay/neuter facilities for economically disadvantaged persons and communities.
f. Continue to work on reduction of feral cat populations.
g. Establish programs to ensure access of breeders to proper reproductive care and counseling.
h. Provide local or federal governmental assistance to registered rescue organizations to facilitate
placement of unwanted pets.
The ACT and SFT do not believe that mandatory spay/neuter programs will significantly reduce the pet
overpopulation problems, since most animals that are abandoned are relinquished because of behavior, health,
economic and life changing conditions and not due to their reproductive status. In fact, in some European Union
countries where gonadectomy is illegal unless deemed medically necessary (such as Norway) there are no
significant problems with pet overpopulation, indicating that the pet overpopulation problem that exists in the
United States is due to cultural differences on the importance of pets, the responsibility of pet owners, and the
ability of the government and national agencies to properly educate the public. Although both organizations
believe that most companion animals should be spayed or neutered, the ACT and SFT also strongly believe that
it is not in the best interest of the animals to produce legislation regarding medical treatments, Therefore, both
organizations oppose mandatory spay/neuter programs.
There are hundreds of references which provide scientific information on the effects of spay and neuter in both
dogs and cats. We chose to provide the reader with a selected list of them.
 
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Whew, that's a mouthful. Thanks for posting I found some interesting information.

I was surprised that the chance of testicular cancer was reduced in neutered dogs😄😄😄
 
The risk of testicular cancer is rather low anyway. And in many cases if there is a malignant tumor in one, the removal of the testicle in most cases takes care of the problem.

I've had two males neutered. One was 11 years old and the other was 5 and both were the result of a nasty prostate infection that took quite a while to clear up. At the recommendation of my vet to drastically lessen the chance of a recurrence I opted to neuter. NO ill affects on either dog and no recurrence of prostate infection.
 
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