Might be a bismuth shortage.

I used Winchester 1 3/8 ounce at 1450 on ducks this year and was impressed. More kills. Less wounded than my normal steel.

Rogers, $1.48/shell. Case of 250 for $370. Was $400 a month ago when I bought another case.


I’m not a fan of BOSS. Purely some of the “stuff” they’ve aligned themselves with.
 
I used Winchester 1 3/8 ounce at 1450 on ducks this year and was impressed. More kills. Less wounded than my normal steel.

Rogers, $1.48/shell. Case of 250 for $370. Was $400 a month ago when I bought another case.


I’m not a fan of BOSS. Purely some of the “stuff” they’ve aligned themselves with.
I am not sure of the "stuff" that they align themselves with, and I honestly don't care. At the end of the day the shells they produce perform and that's all I care about. I will say that I have read in other places about the bismuth shortage soon to come if things don't change and I did go ahead and purchase enough to get me through at least the next 2 maybe 3 seasons.
 
I used Winchester 1 3/8 ounce at 1450 on ducks this year and was impressed. More kills. Less wounded than my normal steel.

Rogers, $1.48/shell. Case of 250 for $370. Was $400 a month ago when I bought another case.


I’m not a fan of BOSS. Purely some of the “stuff” they’ve aligned themselves with.
Exactly, I bought a case yesterday same price as Boss Legacy but you get 2 more 25 count boxes. Today prices for all ammo, $37/box of 25 isn't bad.
 
I used Winchester 1 3/8 ounce at 1450 on ducks this year and was impressed. More kills. Less wounded than my normal steel.

Rogers, $1.48/shell. Case of 250 for $370. Was $400 a month ago when I bought another case.


I’m not a fan of BOSS. Purely some of the “stuff” they’ve aligned themselves with.
In regards to the winchester bismuth loads posted, the 3" 1's are cheaper by $0.06/round at Midway USA if you select the boxes of 15 or 150. They are sold out of 4's though. More of a heads up for those of us that hunt waterfowl.
 
This strikes me as genius marketing to bolster sales during a traditionally slow sales quarter. This way they can bump sales with out the discount. To quote some politician from years ago "Never let a crises real or perceived go to waste"

I usually buy all my shells bulk when they go on sale since they really don't have a shelf life. Plus I am always ready for a zombie apocalypse.

I thought the same thing last year Boss was saying the war in Ukraine was using all the powder and they wouldn't have any shells for hunting season.
 
Yikes, boy did Boss shells go up in price. 12 gauge warchiefs are $520 for 200 shells, $2.60 per shell. The Legacys 12 gauge $470 for 200 shells $2.35 per shell. Those prices are for 3 inch shells.
 
OUCH! Two and a half bucks for a bismuth shell is pushing the limits of what I'd be willing to spend for the performance. Good thing I ordered 2 weeks ago then. I've got about 1.75 cases of 12ga, a full case of 20ga, and a few boxes of random 12 and 20 Boss. My wife and I did a little organizing in my office/spare room, and she took note of the entire closet shelf of shotgun shells. She didn't ask why I had over 1500 rounds stacked up, but did comment that the shelf was putting in overtime holding all of that weight. She's a keeper for sure.
 
My wife and I did a little organizing in my office/spare room, and she took note of the entire closet shelf of shotgun shells. She didn't ask why I had over 1500 rounds stacked up, but did comment that the shelf was putting in overtime holding all of that weight. She's a keeper for sure.
But could you tell if the wheels were turning in her head? I hope this doesn't degrade to a tally and tabulation after every hunt of money ejected out the end of the gun. Might make a guy hesitate with each flush. :ROFLMAO:
 
But could you tell if the wheels were turning in her head? I hope this doesn't degrade to a tally and tabulation after every hunt of money ejected out the end of the gun. Might make a guy hesitate with each flush. :ROFLMAO:
Not wheels per se, more just an admiration for my ability to hoard.
 
Not wheels per se, more just an admiration for my ability to hoard.
If the current shelf is bowed from the weight, you might be able to get by with replacing it with a more rigid material, thus giving the illusion that you don't have as many shells as before. :LOL:
 
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Yikes, boy did Boss shells go up in price. 12 gauge warchiefs are $520 for 200 shells, $2.60 per shell. The Legacys 12 gauge $470 for 200 shells $2.35 per shell. Those prices are for 3 inch shells.
Thanks again for posting this thread. You saved me a good chunk of change. That is assuming prices don't come back down in the next season or two. If they do come back down, no harm in buying them earlier than needed.

I'm still eyeing those Winchester shells.
 
Thanks again for posting this thread. You saved me a good chunk of change. That is assuming prices don't come back down in the next season or two. If they do come back down, no harm in buying them earlier than needed.

I'm still eyeing those Winchester shells.
I have 2 years worth now. I have modifed model 12 and full choke model 870 from the 50s. They only shoot 2.75 inch shells so I am eyeing those kent number 5s for 1.40 per shell. More shells to hide from the wife lol
 
My shells from Boss arrived today. I should have enough to last me a while. If all the bismuth in the USA dries up, I'm willing to share pellets with fellow UPH users. For the riff-raff on the street, I'll charge 10 cents per pellet. But for all of you, I can let them go for the bargain price of 5 cents for each coppery coated gem. Of course, @2point, you deserve a deal -- only 4 cents each. Thanks again for the heads up!
Due to material shortages and rising costs, my new pricing is in effect much earlier than I anticipated and restocking times remain uncertain. I am not working on new products that balance performance and price to help supplement availability, but rather I am working on an entirely new line of ultra expensive shells (see below for details). I recommend ordering now while inventory lasts. Thank you for sticking with me -I'm grateful for your continued support!

P.S. The price on our bismuth went up from 10 cents to 30 cents, 5 cents to 15 cents, and 4 cents to 12 cents, per pellet. This was necessary in order for me, myself, and I to have enough available to fend off roosters next season.

Shells in the research phase:

Product Name: Outer Limits
Shot Material: Osmium
Facts: For when you need to down those cacklers out past 100 yards, nothing else will do. We plan to price these through the roof. However, we anticipate customers will be able to hunt over far ranging flushers who need neither breeding nor training, thus coming out money ahead.

As a companion product, we will be offering interactive AI magnified shooting glasses, to assist in rooster identification. Recommended for those customers with eyesight worse than 20/5 vision.

Product Name: Delayed Doom
Shot Material: Uranium
Facts: This versatile shell fills market niches never satisfied before! Made from a combination of material sourced from south Pacific islands, Fukushima Japan, and Chernobyl Ukraine (contingent on near term events). These shells pack the 1-2 punch of a Geiger counter trackable bird coupled with an accelerated toxicity more humane than lead. Due to its unique properties and sourcing difficulties, the pricing is bound to leave you glowing with shock. We understand people may balk at the exorbitant shipping prices as well, but please keep in mind that you get a reusable cask with every shipment. These can be used for anything from back yard smokers, to tool sheds, to gun safes. In addition to concrete casks, we'll also be offering a lead option, for those reloading customers who want to melt them down and make a weaker variety of these shells.

A must have add-on will be our upland Geiger counter product line. Available in blaze orange, pink, and soon to follow, army fatigue camo, for our Montana customers.

We anticipate that these impressive irradiated ingots will be cherished by the following hunters:

  • Fond of shooting #6 shot and above at these tough birds, but don't like the 20% recovery rate? Not only are these birds clicker trackable, but if they still have too much spring in their step, merely come back to the area the next day, after their vitals have been cooked, and bag those lost birds.
  • Inconsistent gun mounts, cross eye dominance, insistence on beak shooting on 20+ yard crossers, or 28 gauge addiction have you only landing a couple pellets in your roosters? We recommend morning hunts on day 1, and recovery missions the evening of day 2, giving plenty of time for these pellets to work their magic. This gives you precious hours back for eating, drinking, and sleeping that would have been wasted fighting through thickets, cattails, or snow drifts.
  • If you feel the only time to hunt these ring-necked rascals is the tail end of the golden hour, but have trouble tracking cripples when the sun goes down, we've got you covered. Let your eyes adjust to the dark and simply locate the glow emanating from their hiding spot. As long as you don't talk when you approach them, they'll stay in that spot and you can merely walk over and pick them up.
It is due to your continued support that we will soon be able to offer these one of a kind products to our fellow questionable bird hunters. We again thank you!
 
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I have 2 years worth now. I have modifed model 12 and full choke model 870 from the 50s. They only shoot 2.75 inch shells so I am eyeing those kent number 5s for 1.40 per shell. More shells to hide from the wife lol
I’ve been eyeballing those too. If I was sure theyd come true to size as 5s I think I’d buy them and still may. I’ve seen some complaints online that they are 4’s. I’ve got enough 4’s to last me this year.
The other one I’ve been keeping an eye out for is the B&P dual bismuth 3/4s. I like that wad. The best price I’ve seen is 25.00/10. I bought some fiocchi #2 ten packs at 13.xx a box from grabagun last year. If they drop there b&ps down that much this year I’ll snatch them up.
 
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