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Shadow said:
I could do the same- "he's got a hen" 80% of the time I'd be correct-
your dog is wiggling it's tail- a real good pointing dog would see that tail moving, and probably move in ahead and lock up- why- because the tail wiggling means that dog doesn't have the bird- I've seen it many times- and the owner of that dog better not get upset- the dog hasn't locked

dog on point- must be frozen- if you expect another good dog to honor-
mine wouldn't honor another dog who wasn't locked-

you are asuming- and it's ok- but I'd like to see a pointing dog that will show it can tell a difference- and I'm willing to allow them to come and show me on this private farm- course- because it might be a guess- we'll put a wager down like it's going to cost you if you're wrong

want to come and show me
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Maybe I should describe it a little better. That "wiggling" is a very slow movement from side to side but my dog is otherwise locked up. I hunted enough and behind enough dogs to know the difference between a dog that has a bird and one that does not especially when I can flush a bird from in front of that dogs nose.

I certainly could be assuming but so would my longtime hunting partner since he has noticed it too but of course it's entirely non-scientific. I think I'll start keeping a log because when you flush 20 or more birds it's hard to keep track and maybe get like George Bush and misremember.
 
Is it really that hard to believe? I would say its rare but not unbelievable. Can we tell the difference in smell between a meadow lark and a quail?? A dog can, so who's to say that a very small percentage of dogs dont have the ability to differentiate between a hen and a rooster. Just because your dog cant doesnt mean it cant happen. Would it be fair to compare the human population to Einstein or Picasso? Shadow can you tell us why the sky is blue?? If you cant and I'm guessing 99% of people cant, then that must mean that nobody can, but Einstein could and did. Dogs can do amazing things that science still hasnt figured out. So lets not call a guy a liar or criticize his dog because he might have one in a million.
 
oh- that's dirrected at me-
so I'm bashing and cutting down others

we have those who say mine need more experience to figure it out
getting beat by roosters

it's ok- I'm outta here
 
Shadow, I think everyone on here would agree that a dog in its second year is not the most expierenced dog. Not saying its not a good or great dog. And if you've had 90 some points then your saying you've only had 18 or so roosters pointed this year?
 
I'm going to meet up and hunt with NEkansasbritts next week- couple days hunt- figure we're going to see some real good dog work- lets wait and see if he thinks my pups need more experience
 
I am in agreance with shadow on this one a bird is a bird hen or roster makes no difference they smell the same to a dog if the dog is wiggleing or moving at all then it doesn't have the bird plain and simple and as for taking a pup out as soon as mine are big enough to break through the weeds and crp grass then they are out thats what makes a bird dog experience and birds
 
I'm not entirely sure I'd discount the "theory" that some dogs can differentiate hen and rooster scents. I'm not saying I'm a believer in this theory, but a dog's nose is extremely powerful.

Researchers are even training dogs to detect cancer in patients.
 
wildcat your right they arte but just like birds cancer doesn't smell any different between the different types its a general smell they are after
 
Dogs are also used to detect high or low blood sugar in diabetics. My belief is that the more we discover new to us phenomenon, the more we realize how little we knew in the first place. Sum of world knowledge in the age of Columbus was that the earth was flat! After that the decided the sun rotated around the earth! Dogs who detect cancer, and diabetic sugar levels, as a leap of faith to dogs who can tell a hen from a rooster, doesn't seem like much of a jump to me, comparatively. The fact that I personally do not own a dog that has this capability, does not limit me to the iron clad position that it doesn't exist either. We all take a great deal on faith and third hand testimony, ask any politician!
 
I want to apologize to shadow, I was not trying to say his dogs are inexpierenced. I was just trying to say that a two year old dog doesnt have the expierence of say a five year old dog. I think Shadow would agree that dogs gain more knowledge and skills with each advancing season.

Until a dog tells me its not possible, I'm gonna keep an open mind.
 
Gove, with cancer I'm onboard, but what about diabetic blood sugar, in this case the dog is reading between normal, low, and high, and is expected to signal the change from normal to high or low. 60 minutes had a sgment on it that showed a Lab doing just that. The dog had previously signalled her owner on an airplane flight, owner checked her blood sugar and it was normal, dog continued to indicate a problem, lady checked again, same result, dog continued, finally lady asked the passenger net to them if they were diabetic, other passenger was, checked their blood sugar, and averted a crashing blood sugar event. This is remarkable, most diabetics can't tell until it's to late to avoid an incident. So in this case, the dog is sensing degrees of blood sugar, not just the presence of blood sugar. They are currently training companion/service dogs for this now. Even with cancer, the dog is sorting between normal cells and abnormal cells by smelling your breath.
 
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