Just got a 5 year old weim, hunts ducks/geese but not as good on pheasants?

Partagas

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I picked up this dog from a guy going through a divorce. He had three dogs and now doesn't have room. The dog is well adjusted and gets along great with my other dog, kids, etc. The previous owner said he didn't really hunt him this year but is great on ducks and geese. He said he has a good nose but didn't really seem to go after the pheasants like he did the ducks and geese.

I have the option of returning the dog to the humane society if I don't like him. I am going to try and see if he will point birds tomorrow. I want to make up my mind fairly quickly with him as the longer he is here the harder it will be to take him back especially for the wife and kids. I don't really want two dogs that don't hunt. I want to get a second dog that will be a good hunter.

To me it seems if he retrieves and is birdy for ducks and geese he would for whatever birds you put in front of him. I don't have a whole lot of experience with bird dogs and wonder it that is true, does he have potential to be a good pheasant dog?

Thanks,

Rusty
 
Chances are the dog just needs more time in the field and a lot more exposure to pheasants. Where do you live? Before I passed judgement on the dog I would get him to a preserve, get him on some pheasants and see how he does. You might also want to find a professional trainer in your area to work with the dog a little and give you an opinion. Spending some money now on a trainer might be worth it in the long run. That way the dog isn't with you and if the trainer says he's a "no go" it may be easier to say goodbye.
 
The previous owner said he didn't really hunt him this year but is great on ducks and geese. He said he has a good nose but didn't really seem to go after the pheasants like he did the ducks and geese.


The previous owner must have hunted him on Pheasant to make that statement. I would get that dog on as many birds as possible. A dog hunts best what it is used the most for. The PO must have been a waterfowl hunter and did that the most. He hunted upland when he felt like it or it got to cold for the waterfowl. The more Pheasant and even pigeons the dog points the better hunter it will become. I'd give the dog some good chances on upland before deciding...........Bob
 
Dakotazeb, I live in Powell, Wy. I am not sure of any trainers. There is Trivien Sungold Kennels, a pointing lab and golden retreiver breeder not to far. I know they train there own dogs, maybe they do others as well. Used to have a bird farm down the road. I know there is a couple others a little farther off. Might have to check it out. I will try and get him on some birds tomorrow. I can't shoot them but at least see if he points them up.
 
before i spent the family fortune on a trainer i would see for myself just exactly what he does and as bob said maybe the previouse owner just hunted pheasant on a rare occasion but in general if he goes hard for 1 species he has what it takes to go after the others and a weim is the best at this as they are extremely versatile for upland and waterfowl
 
I took in a adult Weim male and he was somewhat afraid of the gun when I got him but he's a tall gorgeous dog and I just had to give one of these gray ghosts a try. Once I got him in the woods and he became occupied with the sent of the birds and hunting. He was overwhelmed with the fun of hunting. The first few shots he got a little timid but the more we hunted the better he got. After one season, he is now a bird hunting machine. One of the best upland dogs I have hunted. I have a new young male I bought as a pup now too. I can say this, weim's are very needy dog. Left alone in the house for more then a short time, they can get themselves into trouble. I thought GSP's could get into things, not even close. It's going to take more then a couple outings to really see the dogs true ability.interest. It's always been my experience, if the dog will hunt ducks and geese. He will hunt other birds. He just needs time in the field to figure out what you expect of him.

Also, I'm not at all in favor of dumping a dog off at the Humane society. IMO, it's near a good chance you have given him a death sentience.

A good read..please think about it..if he don't work out. Find a good home for him. Don't drop him off at Humane society.

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How Could You

When I was a puppy I entertained you with my antics and made you laugh. You called me your child and despite a number of chewed shoes and a couple of murdered throw pillows, I became your best friend. Whenever I was "bad," you'd shake your finger at me and ask "How could you?" - but then you'd relent and roll me over for a bellyrub.

My housetraining took a little longer than expected, because you were terribly busy, but we worked on that together. I remember those nights of nuzzling you in bed, listening to your confidences and secret dreams, and I believed that life could not be any more perfect. We went for long walks and runs in the park, car rides, stops for ice cream (I only got the cone because "ice cream is bad for dogs," you said), and I took long naps in the sun waiting for you to come home at the end of the day.

Gradually, you began spending more time at work and on your career, and more time searching for a human mate. I waited for you patiently, comforted you through heartbreaks and disappointments, never chided you about bad decisions, and romped with glee at your homecomings, and when you fell in love.

She, now your wife, is not a "dog person" - still I welcomed her into our home, tried to show her affection, and obeyed her. I was happy because you were happy. Then the human babies came along and I shared your excitement. I was fascinated by their pinkness, how they smelled, and I wanted to mother them, too. Only she and you worried that I might hurt them, and I spent most of my time banished to another room, or to a dog crate. Oh, how I wanted to love them, but I became a "prisoner of love."

As they began to grow, I became their friend. They clung to my fur and pulled themselves up on wobbly legs, poked fingers in my eyes, investigated my ears and gave me kisses on my nose. I loved everything about them and their touch - because your touch was now so infrequent - and I would have defended them with my life if need be.

I would sneak into their beds and listen to their worries and secret dreams. Together we waited for the sound of your car in the driveway. There had been a time, when others asked you if you had a dog, that you produced a photo of me from your wallet and told them stories about me. These past few years, you just answered "yes" and changed the subject. I had gone from being "your dog" to "just a dog," and you resented every expenditure on my behalf.

Now you have a new career opportunity in another city, and you and they will be moving to an apartment that does not allow pets. You've made the right decision for your "family," but there was a time when I was your only family.

I was excited about the car ride until we arrived at the animal shelter. It smelled of dogs and cats, of fear, of hopelessness. You filled out the paperwork and said "I know you will find a good home for her." They shrugged and gave you a pained look. They understand the realities facing a middle-aged dog or cat, even one with "papers." You had to pry your son's fingers loose from my collar as he screamed "No, Daddy! Please don't let them take my dog!" And I worried for him, and what lessons you had just taught him about friendship and loyalty, about love and responsibility, and about respect for all life. You gave me a goodbye pat on the head, avoided my eyes, and politely refused to take my collar and leash with you. You had a deadline to meet and now I have one, too.

After you left, the two nice ladies said you probably knew about your upcoming move months ago and made no attempt to find me another good home. They shook their heads and asked "How could you?"

They are as attentive to us here in the shelter as their busy schedules allow. They feed us, of course, but I lost my appetite days ago. At first, whenever anyone passed my pen, I rushed to the front, hoping it was you - that you had changed your mind - that this was all a bad dream...or I hoped it would at least be someone who cared, anyone who might save me. When I realized I could not compete with the frolicking for attention of happy puppies, oblivious to their own fate, I retreated to a far corner and waited.

I heard her footsteps as she came for me at the end of the day and I padded along the aisle after her to a separate room. A blissfully quiet room. She placed me on the table, rubbed my ears and told me not to worry. My heart pounded in anticipation of what was to come, but there was also a sense of relief. The prisoner of love had run out of days. As is my nature, I was more concerned about her. The burden which she bears weighs heavily on her and I know that, the same way I knew your every mood.

She gently placed a tourniquet around my foreleg as a tear ran down her cheek. I licked her hand in the same way I used to comfort you so many years ago. She expertly slid the hypodermic needle into my vein. As I felt the sting and the cool liquid coursing through my body, I lay down sleepily, looked into her kind eyes and murmured "How could you?"

Perhaps because she understood my dogspeak, she said "I'm so sorry." She hugged me and hurriedly explained it was her job to make sure I went to a better place, where I wouldn't be ignored or abused or abandoned, or have to fend for myself - a place of love and light so very different from this earthly place. With my last bit of energy, I tried to convey to her with a thump of my tail that my "How could you?" was not meant for her. It was you, My Beloved Master, I was thinking of. I will think of you and wait for you forever.

May everyone in your life continue to show you so much loyalty.
 
We had actually picked him up at the humane society. I was only thinking of returning him if he didn't work out. My uncle is very involved there. It is in a small rural area and they don't put dogs down there. My uncle would also let me know if that were to be the case. I am sure I could put an add in the paper and someone would take him as well. Today is the day to see how he does or at least if there is potential. Like has been said, if there is interest then I am sure that will develop with more time on birds.
 
Ditto what Matt said.

They can be super dogs. I hope he works out for you

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Thanks for all of the advise. Here is how the day went:
Went to church and ate dinner with the parents so I didn't get started till the afternoon. My mom has had 2-3 roosters hanging out in the wind break near the house and down in the draw. We started there. He seemed to hunt through the windbreak but no birds, down in the draw we started at one end and I saw a rooster flush wild halfway down and fly over a small pond and land on the opposite side of a dike. So we hunted down that way and he did seem to get birdy or at least quite interested in one spot (I am assuming where the bird flew from). We get down to the dike and I am standing on top getting ready to go over it towards where the bird landed. Meanwhile the dog dropped into the cut where the water runs out, out of my sight. The rooster flushes very near where the dog would be but I couldn't see the dog and how he responded etc.

Go back up to the house for lunch and pigeons fly off the barn. I drop one, the dog was on the other side of the haystack and didn't see me shoot or the bird fall. Wasn't gunshy and came over to investigate. He did find the bird after some searching (though I think it was by sight not smell) and brought it right to me. I tossed it and he ran and brought it back again. Dropped it when I said drop.

After lunch we go down to the river bottom where I know a few birds usually hang out. Cover is high, sagebrush, russian olives, cattails. We worked along a bench, I spot some pheasant tracks. Can't see him for all the brush. He dropped off the side of the bench and a hen flushed from near where he was again. :rolleyes: He really does seem to work cover and actually hunt though, compared to a weimaraner my buddy had that just liked to walk next to him.

We continue on and he is in some thick grass and russian olives. I can barely see him in there and another hen flushes right where he's at. A rooster flushes wild above us before we get there when the hen flushed. When we get up near where the rooster had gotten up, he really did investigate the thick pile of brush where I assume the bird got up.

We walk the draw back by my parents house and he was walking pretty close to me. I should have held back and let him work out in front as at the end of the draw we both flushed another rooster. He watched it and was quite excited I thought. He didn't race after it though.

Getting dark and go back to the house.

So in summary I really wished I could have seen him get on point and could have flushed a bird up, every time it seemed that I was somehow unable to see him. I need to find a typical patch with grass, etc that I could watch him work without the heavy cover. I just went where I knew there would be some birds. All in all it was a good day. He at least seemed interested in it, wasn't scared of the gun, retrieved a shot bird. Oh he also tracked another pigeon streaking across the sky above us later. So I am leaning 85% keeping him. Just wished I could have seen him point or at least how he responded right on a bird.

My kids and wife are of course already attached to him. He's a big (84#s) gentle dog. He gets along with my other dog and my parents golden 14 week old puppy. Is great with the kids. So if he could be a great pheasant dog that would it.
 
That's good news. I have to say, not all Weim's necessarily point. Some may do more flushing then others. Him being 5 and not trained to point and hold. You may be looking for too much out of him. All depends on what he was taught during those first 5 years.
 
I agree with Chuck, I think the dog was never taught to point and hold. But if you know someone that has some pigeons, you might be able to teach him to do it.......Bob
 
Well that is encouraging comments guys. Thanks, I was not really looking for a pointer or magazine cover points. I just always thought that weims were pointers so that is what I was expecting or hoping for. I have only hunted over labs and a few goldens. Except for the buddys weim that walked beside us as we hunted with the other dogs.

I was planning on getting another lab or even a pointing lab (since there is a reputable local breeder). This just kind of happened. Wasn't ready for a puppy yet so if I were to get another dog this worked out. I must say I don't miss the potty training, chewing, biting, etc that comes with a puppy, though the puppy breath and cuteness is always nice.

Since I mostly wanted a dog that really hunted for pheasants not necessarily a pointer I will just be happy if he finds the birds and retrieves them. I was just worrying that since I didn't actually see him point or flush maybe he blundered over them. Was hoping to see him track one down and do something with it. I guess I worry he won't hunt and I will have two really great pets that the family adores (one really big one) and still no dog to hunt over. I think I am over thinking this a little or over worrying it.
 
You stated you have wild birds at your parents place. I would take him there as often as you have time for and let him hunt. It is also good exercise for the dog and make for a happier home. Concentrate on keeping him closer to you so when a bird flushes it is in gun range. You can work him like a lab and have a very good bird dog......Bob
 
Bird dog?

Interesting summary of your hunt. I believe you are on the right track and the dog seems to have potential. Of utmost importance for any dog - lots of birds in their face, shooting and the retrieve. The pointing probably will come later, especially when you work with him during a controlled hunt - birds that have been placed in the field near a flag.

I have had two Golden's spend two weeks with a trainer when they were puppies - about 5 month's old. This is an introduction to birds and imprinting the dog - to insure that they have the idea of birds firmly imprinted. It made a huge difference! Both were hot for the program and were intense hunters.

Good luck.

Jon
 
Partagas, I think you have yourself a pheasant dog. He may take a little work but from what you have said it appears the potential is there. Like others have said, keep getting him on birds. The more the better. But even in the off season you need to keep him under control. With more exposure to birds he may firm up his point without any other help. But by planting some pigeons and putting him on a check cord so you can steady him when he goes on point you could probably firm up his point without a lot of trouble. Good luck!
 
Thanks for the replies guys. Just what I was looking for. I really needed the affirmation to go ahead on him. He's a really great dog and of course (I knew this would happen) the family falls for him within the first 15 minutes. That put the pressure on. Was really hoping he would be interested in birds. Looks like he has potential.

I will start working with him on the birds. Maybe see if my buddy still has pigeons.

Thanks again
Rusty
 
Partagas-I think he'll turn into a great hunting buddy for you and a great pet for the family. We had Weims when we were kids, including a litter of 10 pups.

OnPoint-where did you get that article about the dog taken to the Humane Society? That was one of the most tear-jerking dog stories I've read. Maybe the HS should make that required reading before someone can drop off a dog.

PairOfLabs
 
Bird Dog?

Rusty,

Regarding a pointer or potential pointer: I have taught all my dogs to point - right in the living room. Toss a tng dummy out and have a check cord on the dog. When the dog is near the dummy I say" stay". The dog will freeze looking at the dummy - eventually I use the same technique on pheasants that hold or birds placed in the field.

Works for me!
 
OnPoint-where did you get that article about the dog taken to the Humane Society? That was one of the most tear-jerking dog stories I've read. Maybe the HS should make that required reading before someone can drop off a dog.

I agree, if that doesn't bring a tear to your eye you better check your pulse!
 
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