if- what would you and your dog do
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Shadow
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Bob- with the pups that is exactly what I do- pups eyes move I raise my hand palm facing them- softly saying whoa- I haven't trained them- but they are catching on- the eyes shift- means they aren't real sure- hand raised palm towards them sort of gives them confidence to stay locked- sometimes I'll forget about the bird pointed and slowly approach the pup- like to show the pup it is doing it right- and dang- sometimes I still get to move arround and flush the bird over the point- ahh what a reward
moellermd
Super Moderator
First I would remove all that hard wear from his neck. then I would tell him to get his ass over there and find and flush the darn bird for me, thats your job not mine you goofy dog.
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Your my new hero.
Kal
New member
Exactly what I'd do.
Shadow
Banned
you'd say that- when I turn mine loose in a 1/2 mile by 1/2 mile field
I like BIG fields- and he's been on point many times with a high head- and the pheasant is right there- some dogs point with a high head-
never ever have I had mine go in to flush a bird- that's how you make a poor pointing dog
Dakotazeb
Well-known member
When my younger dog sees another dog(s) locked up on point she stops immediately. Heck, she even stops to honor when another stops to take a crap. She was a natural backer, I didn't have to teach her a thing. She has gotten the highest backing scores at all but one of the NSTRA trials she's been at.
Freebyrd17
Member
Can I just say...
This is exactly the kind of conversation I value on this forum. I hunt a flusher but it's amazing and educational for me to read this thread and learn from everyone's experiences, opinions, and methods.
Thanks fellas!
This is exactly the kind of conversation I value on this forum. I hunt a flusher but it's amazing and educational for me to read this thread and learn from everyone's experiences, opinions, and methods.
Thanks fellas!
FCSpringer
Moderator
u got that right. And notice the wide open spaces??
Picture half cattails and knee deep snow.
1/2 mile x 1/2mile?? your lucky. The rest of America can only wish to have that area to just let a dog run a half mile away while hunting.
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bobeyerite
New member
Shadow, Back in 2000, Tony was on his first hunting trip. I want you to remember I did not know how to read this dog yet. He went on point and when I got to him I started to come in from the front left. He looked left behind him and came back on point. I started to kick the grass in front of him and he looked left behind him again. Came back on point. I could not get the bird up, not knowing what to expect, new, young, dog. I told him, "find the bird." First time he had ever heard that command. He released his point, turned left behind himself and went a few paces to a bush and went back on point. As walked over to the bush I could see the Rooster tucked into the bottom. I said, "He pulled a sneaky on ya huh!" With that the Rooster flushed and flew from my left to right. I dropped him in 1 shot. That is the total story. The question is; did you ever have a dog try to tell you something like this story?........Bob
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Shadow
Banned
yes Bob- I've seen the exact same thing- quite a bit actually- I will release mine if I can't get a bird up- sometimes an OK get going works- sometimes I need to touch them- it's all good- sometimes the bird was just there but snuck off- sometimes it's a wounded bird- if I get two points like that I will pull the dog off and head the other way- I've watched a pointing dog try to pin a wounded pheasant- watched the guy follow his while it made over 9 points- he was all intent- sure he was going to get a shot- I moved away- don't want mine tracking
Shadow
Banned
FC- yea- I like big areas- most of the time mine are within 300 yards- no scent in the wind they sometimes open up- they are starting to pay attention to the whistle and will turn- on a 3 hour hunt they aren't under foot
you have fields much like we have in the western part of your state
I don't think you'd hunt your springers in these big fields
while I'll let mine roll
you have fields much like we have in the western part of your state
I don't think you'd hunt your springers in these big fields
while I'll let mine roll
FCSpringer
Moderator
Theres not too much of that terain here, All rolling hills and the hunting is allot of brush busting, cattails willows etc. We can't let dogs go that far. Most cases you would be tresspassing a half mile away. It is still pretty darn good though, can't complain. It does look warmer there. But if I did have a spot that big I would run the dogs in it with out hesitation.
It is still pretty darn good though, can't complain. It does look warmer there. But if I did have a spot that big I would run the dogs in it with out hesitation.
goldeneye
New member
Shadow I like the pics and the questions.
I have answered them all the same to myself I try to circle the dog and flush the bird toward him. Then I can see if the bird is moving by watching the dogs nose.
I used to have two setters and I loved watching them back point I wish I would have carried a camara more. :coolpics:
I have answered them all the same to myself I try to circle the dog and flush the bird toward him. Then I can see if the bird is moving by watching the dogs nose.
I used to have two setters and I loved watching them back point I wish I would have carried a camara more. :coolpics:
Shadow
Banned
golden- been at this game since 1972- have had close rangers and big- love the big runners- now by big- I mean pheasants- always hear- they can't hold them way out there- maybe not everyone untill you get up and flush- but to me it's is the cream when they hold one- hen or rooster-
sure doesn't take mine long to find out if there is fresh scent or birds arround
you know- I still like walking up on mine locked- stand there- pull the camera out- turn the batteries to the on settings- (because my el cheapo goes thru batteries pretty quick) move up and try to frame the picture- take a couple- put it away- see if they still have the bird- wife says- "why even take the gun" she has a point
FC- hunted quite a bit north of Pipestone- there are big fields- public areas- and wildlife areas- can name an exact spot as shown on the Minn Public area map
I have had my female up there quite a bit- cattails can be hunted with a decent running Britt- or as some say- way to big a runner- big grass and dirty cut corn fields are my game- I used to use a beeper and a small cow bell- still have the two- wouldn't be one bit afraid to put these Britt's down in that stuff
so- how would you and your Springers- just you and them- hunt a 1/2 mile by 1/2 mile dirty cut corn field
sometimes we catch them out there- sometimes we don't- but I can tell in an hour if there are pheasants there
sure doesn't take mine long to find out if there is fresh scent or birds arround
you know- I still like walking up on mine locked- stand there- pull the camera out- turn the batteries to the on settings- (because my el cheapo goes thru batteries pretty quick) move up and try to frame the picture- take a couple- put it away- see if they still have the bird- wife says- "why even take the gun" she has a point
FC- hunted quite a bit north of Pipestone- there are big fields- public areas- and wildlife areas- can name an exact spot as shown on the Minn Public area map
I have had my female up there quite a bit- cattails can be hunted with a decent running Britt- or as some say- way to big a runner- big grass and dirty cut corn fields are my game- I used to use a beeper and a small cow bell- still have the two- wouldn't be one bit afraid to put these Britt's down in that stuff
so- how would you and your Springers- just you and them- hunt a 1/2 mile by 1/2 mile dirty cut corn field
sometimes we catch them out there- sometimes we don't- but I can tell in an hour if there are pheasants there
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Shadow
Banned
my other pup- run him with my older female- because he's got it in his head he should be the one in front- if you look a little in front of him- you'll see a bit of the rooster- I thought it was perhaps a dead or wounded- but it came up big and fast- missed the first shot-
enlarged the picture and it's on my wall- why- because he really pinned it- and stayed till I walked arround in front and flushed
FCSpringer
Moderator
I have hunted corn stubble several times and done well. It suprises you how well they hold in that stuff. Mostly in IA. I go walking, the dogs will find the birds running or not. Look for the low areas and as you said dirty areas. Middle of the day is best, and areas down wind of a cover break or a field drainage terrace is where I look. Problem is finding that type of field. You will not find too many in MN, all plowed after harvest imediatly. IA is where I have done it the most, many leave it there. But then those are sprayed well so finding that dirty one is the ticket. Done well out in big corn stubbel. Pipe stone is a 5 hr drive. Never go there when I can get a limit most any day in a couple hrs within 5 miles from hm, spoiled I guess.
If you search back you will find posts where I talk about hunting corn stubble.
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Freebyrd17
Member
u got that right. And notice the wide open spaces??
Picture half cattails and knee deep snow.
1/2 mile x 1/2mile?? your lucky. The rest of America can only wish to have that area to just let a dog run a half mile away while hunting.
:coolpics:
FCSpringer: In wide open, short grass areas such as have been posted, imagine if you will...
A runnin' rooster, trailed by a runnin' Retriever, trailed by a runnin' (if that's what you'd call it), huffin', and puffin' me!
I'd lose the winter weight before I had a chance to put it on!
Shadow
Banned
good eye- field is a mile by mile- cattle are in part of it surronded by electric wire- he was sort of out there coming up on the edge- sometimes I see a few pheasants ducking low and running out there- sort of slinking away- amazing how low to the ground they get- good experience to turn a dog
FC- I understand what you are saying