I highly recomend Dobbs dogs .com Trained retrieve and hold and fetch Videos. Dobbs is the best trainer in the country on this stuff and most everyone else has just learned from him or coppied his training. There is absolutly nothing wrong with doing this to your dog, but as D Z said if you think at all after watching the videos you can't do it, have me do it. Just kidding, it is not that tough. There is no pain at all. It is low level stimulas.And they show you that, and how to find the right level of stimulas for your dog, they are all different. As said you need everything in the video, no corner cutting. Table, collar ect., Most dogs are natural retrievers they just don't bring the bird back some times. this helps with that. As someone said the hallway stuff is great too but that should have been done when the dog was a pup, at weening age starting. that is when the positive reinforcement training works the best. An older dog can learn this way too but most of the time the trained retrieve meathod works the best. you could wait around for a few years for the dog to figure it out but I personaly think that is just instilling more bad habbit. And a dog quite possibly will just screw with you the rest of it's life. Force break the dog useing the dobbs meathods or pay someone to do it for you and you will get it over with and be enjoying the rest of the dogs life with you. There again is no pain at all, thats just not true at all.