Flushing

ChessieGunDog

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I am very new to pheasant hunting in fact I've never been on a hunt yet. I am trying to learn as much as I can so I am prepared. I have a 1 year old Chessie that I an in the process of training. I am curious to know that when on a hunt what the dogs do. I am guessing the purpose of marley as a retriver is to flush the birds and once I shoot them to bring them back to me. I guess I am not clear on what flushing actually means. Does that mean he runs in the field back and forth and scares up birds or is that more to it that I am missing?

Thanks for the help,

Ben
 
Does that mean he runs in the field back and forth and scares up birds or is that more to it that I am missing?

Thanks for the help,

Ben


I would say in simple terms that would cover. The running back and forth is referred to as quartering. Ideally your flusher would using its nose to locate the birds. I am sure someone will have a more complicated/detailed definition for you.
 
I have been watching videos of pheasant hunts on youtube. To me if looks like the dogs just sniff out the birds and run around and flush them up. I guess it just seems like they are not highly trained. I mean obviously they are trained but it seems like they flush the bird by running around see the bird fall and bring it back... seems simple to me I guess... I don't know
 
I have been watching videos of pheasant hunts on youtube. To me if looks like the dogs just sniff out the birds and run around and flush them up. I guess it just seems like they are not highly trained. I mean obviously they are trained but it seems like they flush the bird by running around see the bird fall and bring it back... seems simple to me I guess... I don't know

What would you expect a flushing dog to do? It gets a little more complicated when you start factoring in the dog staying within shooting range, tracking down dead/wounded birds, checking the promising cover, identifying old scent from new scent, not chasing trash, recognising hand signals, etc. But, yes on face it seems like a simple concept.
 
With a Chessie you are probably starting out with a little disability. Don't get me wrong, Chessie's can be a very good upland dog. It's just that is not what they were primarily bred for. If all you were going to hunt were pheasants there are other breeds that would probably be a better choice. But all that is beside the point. You have a Chessie and want to hunt pheasants. Hopefully the dogs parents and grand parents were upland bird hunters as that would probably help. The Chessie would be considered a flushing dog. A flushing dog should naturally quarter back and forth in front of the hunter, and within shotgun range, seeking out birds and then making them flush for the shot. And then of course retrieve the bird to hand after it's been shot. It might seem quite simple at this time but believe me, it's not. Pheasants would rather run than fly so if your dog gets on a runner you need to be able to stop him or call him back so he doesn't flush the bird out of range. And then there are the birds that you only wing and they hit the ground ruuning. It takes a good dog to follow the trail, locate and retrieve the bird. If the dog has some good breeding and instincts the best thing you can do is work on obedience, controling your dog in the field and then get the dog in the field and on as many birds as possible.

I'm sure if you look around there are some books on hunting pheasants with a flushing dog. And maybe even hunting pheasants and upland birds with a Chessie. Best of luck and enjoy the hunt!
 
I guess I am not clear on what flushing actually means. Does that mean he runs in the field back and forth and scares up birds or is that more to it that I am missing?

Thanks for the help,

Ben

Not quite, but donâ??t feel bad, the majority of guys who hunt w/ retrievers seem to think that way too.

The fact is that a â??trainedâ?� flushing dog runs the pattern that most effectively uses the wind to bring a birds scent to him.

If you are hunting into the wind, the dog runs from left to right, (perpendicular to the wind). Each cast he takes across the beat he will advance only the distance he has learned that he can cover w/ his nose under that dayâ??s conditions. Some days, heâ??ll recognize the scenting conditions are excellent and he may take bites of 15 yds or more on each cast, other days, he will shorten up how much ground he takes in because he will know that scenting is poor. The way he learns this from experience; if you hunt him enough. In my case, I run my dogs regularly on pigeons or guinea hens. The only way I know what scenting conditions are is by how the dogs work; but they know it.

While Iâ??d love to only hunt w/ the wind in my face, I rarely have someone willing to pick me up at the end of the field. Therefore, I often hunt in a cross-wind both away from the truck & back. If you picture a scent cone emitting from a bird as traveling like smoke from a smoldering fire, youâ??ll understand why a dog running the same pattern I described above would be a huge waste of energy. (hint: he canâ??t smell w/ his tail)

With the wind blowing on my left cheek, my dog should cast to the right & away from me to the far edge of gun range, then turning into the wind, come back at me. Again heâ??s running perpendicular to the wind. As he nears me, heâ??ll turn again into the wind before he heads back out to the far right edge of my gun range. His pattern would look like a banana w/ one end on the far right of gun range and the other end straight to my left.

A down wind (wind at your back) is the least desirable condition mostly because it carries any noise you make to the birds. Again you're dog needs the wind to find birds effectively so he'll learn to take a big cast out to the edge of your gun range and work back toward you. You can let him punch out a little further than normal because if he scents a bird between you & him he'll charge in and most often a rooster will flush away from the dog, sending him back into you.

To get the most out of your flushing dog, youâ??ve got to always be aware of the wind & remember that he can only pick up scent from one general direction. If you just want to use your dog as another pair of feet to bump up birds, (which is what many guys do), although he may come in handy as a retriever, he really wonâ??t find many birds that you wouldnâ??t have bumped w/out a dog.
 
One thing you will find out quickly is your chessie will over heat pretty fast in terms of other dogs. My buddy has a chessie and she heats up fast, so be careful.:thumbsup:
 
We also have an untrained 2.5 year old golden retriver. I'd like to get a german shorthaired pointer but I'm having a hell of a time convincing my wife to get a 3rd dog. I guess I'll have to make due with my retrivers.
 
Train the golden also. 2 dogs sure wouldn't hurt your odds of finding more birds in the field


Kansas has a good point (no punn intended) :cheers:
Two dogs seem easier to train then just one.
 
The golden in my avatar is 11 now and still one of the best pheasant dogs I've ever hunted w/ in 30 yrs.
 
Yeah but I cannot train them together at the same time because I cannot get them to focus... I guess until I have them better trained I have to do seperate sessions, and then later once they listen better I can bring them together.
 
Just watch as many videos as you can. There are some great DVD's out there too by professional trainers. I personally have George Hickox "Training the Upland Retriever". I don't wanna get into which DVD is the best as there are many good DVD's out there(there are several threads on here about that topic) but the one I have I got lots of good info out of. Some of his methods require some assistance from helpers but some you can do on your own. Look around for a video that fits your needs and it'll help. I plan on buying another retriever training DVD here pretty soon. And don't be afraid to ask questions here if you have them.
 
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I have been watching videos of pheasant hunts on youtube. To me if looks like the dogs just sniff out the birds and run around and flush them up. I guess it just seems like they are not highly trained. I mean obviously they are trained but it seems like they flush the bird by running around see the bird fall and bring it back... seems simple to me I guess... I don't know

Pheasants often run around in an effort to avoid the dogs and hunters. The dogs may be chasing them to put them in the air -- flushing. Also, if there is a covey of birds, there may be alot of scent present in an area and the dogs will run around in the scented area in search of the birds.

It would not be surprising if your Chessie does not run around much in flushing activity since he was bred to be a sight water retriever and he is a size larger than the typical breed put on upland birds. Some water retrievers do well on upland game, however, so you may be pleasantly surprised. In any event, as a retriever, having your chessie along will increase your chances of bagging birds that have been knocked down. And it's just more fun to hunt with your dog along. Have fun pheasant hunting. That's the most important thing.
 
We also have an untrained 2.5 year old golden retriver. I'd like to get a german shorthaired pointer but I'm having a hell of a time convincing my wife to get a 3rd dog. I guess I'll have to make due with my retrivers.
What is the reason to not use the golden? Mine sees more upland action between pheasants and grouse than she does waterfowl.

With respect to your opening post, sure there's not much too training if you have few expectations. I suspect once you start training you'll gather more respect for what it takes to make a good flusher.
 
Talk your time and get him on birds in the field. I didn't start my lab upland hunting till he was a year old. I took him out on a grouse hunt for more feet on the ground and he had more natural ability then I could have ever imagined. He took more to upland hunting then to waterfowl and all I had done for training was waterfowl. Go figure. Get him on birds and see what he does. Then you will know what you need to do for training. You might have to break some bad habits you didn't relies were there but in the end a nose will beat feet on the ground any day.
 
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That's Flushing

I am very new to pheasant hunting in fact I've never been on a hunt yet. I am trying to learn as much as I can so I am prepared. I have a 1 year old Chessie that I an in the process of training. I am curious to know that when on a hunt what the dogs do. I am guessing the purpose of marley as a retriver is to flush the birds and once I shoot them to bring them back to me. I guess I am not clear on what flushing actually means. Does that mean he runs in the field back and forth and scares up birds or is that more to it that I am missing?

Thanks for the help,

Ben

You got it.
 
I hunt with a buddy who has a golden and it a great upland dog. He can give that dog hand signals to send it into the cover he wants and direct it any where and of course the retrieves are perfect.

I say just get the dogs on birds. If you can take them to private preserve before hinting season. You will be amazed at what they figure out on there own. The most important thing is to make sure they stay in range and come back when you call it. Nothing makes your hunting partners pissed more than a dog running after a bird that was missed and flushing birds along the way.
 
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