End of shooting hours,? for evening hunters

Gobbler said:
Yeah I with gimruis...I had a buddy that used to carry his pistol fishing with me in my boat no less. Some of these extreme pistol dudes make me nervous.
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Honestly, they don't make me nervous or worry me. Its their right if they choose to do so, given they can pass the course. There's lots of unsafe hunters out there too.

If you really need to carry two firearms while hunting, maybe its time to re-think where you're hunting. If a zombie shows up you blow its head off with the shotgun. You don't pull out your wimpy inaccurate pistol. C'mon.
 
gimruis said:
Exactly. And if a threat is coming at you, you aren't going to convince me that a handgun is a better option than a shotgun. Ever.



Insecure individuals.

I respect the right for someone to carry a handgun if they have the permit for it but doing so when you're already carrying a more powerful weapon is dumb. Standard handgun range is about 15 feet. Shotgun range is about 40 yards, which is about 120 feet. So which one is the better option again? Its just simple physics.
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Lethal15 feet?? Lethal 40 yards?? I don't even shoot much, and I guarantee you I can dance a tin can around at 20 yards with 50-year-old eastern bloc 9x18. 40 yards with bird shot on a human. Nope. I may be insecure, but I know better than that.
 
Standard handgun range is 15 feet. That is trained upon you when you take the course, and its the designated standard distance at pistol ranges. Its not like the movies. You don't whip out a pistol and pick off villians on the top of a building.
 
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gimruis said:
Standard handgun range is 15 feet. That is trained upon you when you take the course, and its the designated standard distance at pistol ranges. Its not like the movies. You don't whip out a pistol and pick off villians on the top of a building.
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I understand gim. I don't totally disagree. And nothing freaks me out like seeing a red neck open carry in a Walmart. But Elijsha Dicken did just that, whipped out his handgun and stopped a mass shooting at exceptional range. Also, a 12-gauge auto is a lot different than a .410 single shot. So anytime I feel under gunned, including walking down to the mailbox, I'm packing.
 
SPUR60 said:
Glock has light. And optic. And 16 bullets designed to stop threats. Shotgun has...birdshot.

Be more specific, because as a blanket statement, that's false.
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You cannot have, in your possession, a loaded or accessable pistol or rifle while attempting to take waterfowl. Its a federal law. Your right to carry pertains to the shotgun in your possession and does not give you the right to carry a pistol as well while hunting migratory birds.

I brought this question to several wardens an attempt to have a coyote weapon handy and got the same response. Leave it cased and unloaded in your gruck/camp and you are fine. Have a round in the mag or chamber while you have decoys out, or its reasonable to assume you are hunting, and you are getting a ticket. Doesnt matter if you have the permit or not, it's all about the ability to take a migratory bird with it
 
remy3424 said:
I am with GIM...shotgun or pistol. Anything within 15 yards with a 12 gauge, even with 6 shot, will be plenty lethal. Outside of 15 yards, is it really a threat? I used to shoot a few coyotes when bird hunting, anything in the 15-20 yard range was DOA using pheasant loads. Don't under estimate the power of a shotgun. Really, who and why would you carry a pistol bird hunting? Seems like a very unnecessary piece of gear to carry....unless you are that guy that always has a concealed weapon on their person....wantabe special forces guy.
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I carried a 22 pistol for a bit, to shoot sleeping coons in the grass. Now i carry one of those adapter things that lets you shoot a 410 shell in a bigger barrel. I put a 2.5" #4 lead in them now. Both worked, the adapter and a half doz 410 shells is lighter
 
KEOutdoors said:
You cannot have, in your possession, a loaded or accessable pistol or rifle while attempting to take waterfowl. Its a federal law. Your right to carry pertains to the shotgun in your possession and does not give you the right to carry a pistol as well while hunting migratory birds.

I brought this question to several wardens an attempt to have a coyote weapon handy and got the same response. Leave it cased and unloaded in your gruck/camp and you are fine. Have a round in the mag or chamber while you have decoys out, or its reasonable to assume you are hunting, and you are getting a ticket. Doesnt matter if you have the permit or not, it's all about the ability to take a migratory bird with it
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50 CR 20 (federal waterfowl regs) states that you cannot possess SHOT other than non toxic. It also further states that you cannot TAKE waterfowl with a firearm other than that loaded with non toxic shot. There is no FEDERAL LAW that prohibits possession of a pistol loaded with single projectile ammunition while waterfowl hunting in general. There is rules regarding handguns in possession on national wildlife refuges. There are many states that have specific laws outlining possession of handguns or other than non-toxic ammo. But SD, MN, and WI it's legal. There are other states where it's been posted as legal, I haven't dug into them, but NY, PA, and MI appear to have no state restrictions either. Now, you could certainly have a federal warden try to make a determination that goes against 50 CR 20 and write a ticket, but any half ass lawyer would get it tossed as there is case precident and published info that side with the way I've described it.

Summerized well here and parallels the proper interpretation of federal regs - "In short, individuals who carry a loaded and concealed handgun in compliance with all the concealed carry rules are generally permitted to continue doing so while they engage in duck hunting, so long as they are not using, or attempting to use, the handgun for actually hunting any waterfowl. Wisconsin’s migratory bird hunting regulations prohibit the use of handguns for hunting waterfowl, and also require all shotshells in a waterfowl hunter’s possession to be non-toxic. Lawfully possessed loaded handguns, not used to shoot at waterfowl, are compliant with both of those principle restrictions."

Heck because of the way federal regs are written as described above, in many states you can possess a rifle while waterfowl hunting. Many deer were shot by the Robertsons on film out of their duck blinds on the old Duckmen videos.
 
gimruis said:
Standard handgun range is 15 feet. That is trained upon you when you take the course, and its the designated standard distance at pistol ranges. Its not like the movies. You don't whip out a pistol and pick off villians on the top of a building.
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LOL last pistol course I took we were doing 50 yard Bill drills and guys were drilling all A zone hits sub 4 seconds. Threats don't happen at only 15 feet.
 
gimruis said:
Exactly. And if a threat is coming at you, you aren't going to convince me that a handgun is a better option than a shotgun. Ever.



Insecure individuals.

I respect the right for someone to carry a handgun if they have the permit for it but doing so when you're already carrying a more powerful weapon is dumb. Standard handgun range is about 15 feet. Shotgun range is about 40 yards, which is about 120 feet. So which one is the better option again? Its just simple physics.
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Ive killed whitetail deer with "standard" hand gun loads double what you are claiming for distance
 
Shotgun was a good option when this moose named Karen tried to stomp me in the ground. I am glad I didnt have a pistol. She was pretty agile swinging her head, jumping up in the air. I held my shotgun like a pistol to get distance and poked her in the face to no avail. She kept coming and I tucked it under chin and put here down. Screenshot_20240716_163019_Gallery.jpg
 
birddude said:
I understand gim. I don't totally disagree. And nothing freaks me out like seeing a red neck open carry in a Walmart. But Elijsha Dicken did just that, whipped out his handgun and stopped a mass shooting at exceptional range. Also, a 12-gauge auto is a lot different than a .410 single shot. So anytime I feel under gunned, including walking down to the mailbox, I'm packing.
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What part of Chicago do you live in! Put the box on your house if it is that rough of a neighborhood....or is the mailbox in the post office? Now I need to measure off 20 yards and try hitting the tin can...I will start with a tomato juice can (the 64 ounce or whatever the big ones are) to raise my confidence. What in the world might get you? If you have a sex offender living next to you who liked raping older fellas, maybe packing heat is a decent plan. Just busting your balls a bit! Where I live, I have never known of anyone that has pulled a gun in self-defense or ever fired one in self-defense.
Back to the pistol vs shotgun...if it is a threat to me, that required discharging a weapon, it will be well inside the 12 gauge's lethal range. I am positive I would be much better at dispatching any target with a shotgun vs a pistol in a high stress situation. If you shot at someone at 50 yards and managed to hit/killed them, you might be looking through bars for a while, if that distance is proven....their lawyer and family will have a good argument that they couldn't have been a threat at that distance. I guess, leave no witnesses to tell a different story than the one you will need to tell.
It is interesting how these threads morph into other issues completely different from where we started!
Today is the last day in Iowa's season, so I guess and chatter/traffic here is better than silence...Bob will be good to throw-out a thread if things slow down too much.
So who else fancys themselves as a pistollaro? I would like to get shooting the handguns alot more in a few year during retirement.
 
2point said:
Shotgun was a good option when this moose named Karen tried to stomp me in the ground. I am glad I didnt have a pistol. She was pretty agile swinging her head, jumping up in the air. I held my shotgun like a pistol to get distance and poked her in the face to no avail. She kept coming and I tucked it under chin and put here down. View attachment 10244
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That must have sucked to be in that position. It looks like it was killing 3 (is that her calves behind her?) at the same time. Are they kind of struggling for numbers presently or are they OK?
 
remy3424 said:
So who else fancys themselves as a pistollaro? I would like to get shooting the handguns alot more in a few year during retirement.
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I have a couple. I do not carry, no need.

But they are fun shooting at the range or plinking stuff outside. If you have a gun shop nearby with a range, they will sometimes allow you to shoot a variety of them to see which one you like the best. Standard or compact versions are better for carrying. Full size are better for the range.

Also, with any firearm, you need to consider ammo availability too. Nothing worse than being stuck with a caliber and not being able to find ammo for it.
 
On black Friday at fleet farm they had a Springfield Armory Hellcat Pro with an optic for like $525, signed up for their CC and got 10% off that. This shoots much better than the original HCs. Only a touch bigger, 5 mags with it, 4 of the mags hold 17 rounds (9mm), crazy capacity for a compact! Look at this one if you are wanting a smaller 9mm to carry or pack it the truck door. This thread is soon far off track, I can't even see the original track from here! My only regret was not buying 2..or 3 of them!
 
gimruis said:
Exactly. And if a threat is coming at you, you aren't going to convince me that a handgun is a better option than a shotgun. Ever.



Insecure individuals.

I respect the right for someone to carry a handgun if they have the permit for it but doing so when you're already carrying a more powerful weapon is dumb. Standard handgun range is about 15 feet. Shotgun range is about 40 yards, which is about 120 feet. So which one is the better option again? Its just simple physics.
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I had a grizz after me on the rocky mountain front.I had my turkey gun.Pretty scary day.
 
remy3424 said:
That must have sucked to be in that position. It looks like it was killing 3 (is that her calves behind her?) at the same time. Are they kind of struggling for numbers presently or are they OK?
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The calves made it, many people saw them into the next year. We have plenty of moose around here. I jumped them and the calves were confused and ran at me. The cow was behind them. I ran to give them room. She was going by me and then decided to try to hook me. She missed and turned around and started high stepping at me. It was weird as the calves were safe and past me. I yelled go with your calves before I had to put her down. 😞
 
2point said:
Shotgun was a good option when this moose named Karen tried to stomp me in the ground. I am glad I didnt have a pistol. She was pretty agile swinging her head, jumping up in the air. I held my shotgun like a pistol to get distance and poked her in the face to no avail. She kept coming and I tucked it under chin and put here down. View attachment 10244
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