Dog deadly seed eradication.

FCSpringer

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Well I have burnt out my welcome with many on this subject. But many will thank me later and have now, by being warned before they plant. Unfortunately I knew, and still ended up with Canada rye in my field. I rented a drill from the USDA who lazily did not clean the junk seed out when it got to me. So my carefully planned planting now became polluted with this deadly toxin called Canada wild rye, Virgina rye and others. Any way, here is a plan to restore your hunting ground to its dog friendly state you intended it to be. That is if you pheasant hunt any way, or own a preserve, allow others or what have you. It is your future and if you wish to keep your business prosperous going forward, you need to think about this subject. Dog owners value their dogs dang near as much as the kids in their homes. They will seek places with out seeds that kill, and the more the word gets out, the less business one will have who owns fields riddled with the plant life pollutant.

Here is what I did. First talked to the grower who supplied me my seed. Who is also one of the largest native seed producers in the nation. He basically told me do not panic. Here is what you do. First green up in the spring will be cold season grasses. After about 2-3 weeks the warm season grasses will begin to germinate. This gives you a 2 week window to kill off the toxic killer seeds. Mow or bail a large section, or the entire area you want to make dog safe. Get rid of the bails. Give it away, burn it whatever. When things green up like your yard grass, brome grass in the ditch and else where. Wait about 1-2 weeks for that green up to take off. Then spray the entire thing with a good killing solution of roundup. And fear not. Your warm season grass is not harmed. Nothing that has not germinated is killed. The warms come up later and flourish better. Then mow or bail the stand at the first sight of seed development. Mow at a height of 10- 16". June seems to be a good time here for re growth. Then let her grow again. You will get a great regrowth with out unwanted seeds. Repeat this process 2-3 years straight. And you will have a clean field again. Then after that if a small spot spray is needed just do that. The down fall is, you kill many broad leaf and some flower plants. But, you can buy pure seed cheap and replace good flowers in a short time. With no flowers I still had great grasshopper habitants and other insects. Had nesting birds and birds here now. it worked for me and can you too if timed right. it is relatively easy. And I get to enjoy it every day. One last spray this spring, and I will re intro my flowers.:thumbsup:
 
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Thanks for bringing this to the forefront again Ken. I think many are still unaware of the dangers involved. Correctly identifying the culprits is still going to be the challenge for many when entering a given field. I know when I inquired a while back you sent me a couple samples and that helped a lot.
 
FCS, are you aware of any solutions when canada wild rye is in your cool season grass stands?

Nope. Kill off and replant I would guess. What gets me is now the old fields coming out were replaced with this junk. Public huntings, and many, many, many CRP acres. Kinda scary when we loose so much now, leaving this stuff. Guess if it comes to that I will just hunt the few places with out it I find, and cattails. FC AFC Lighthouse's Gone Fishin, Pike. Is a recent victim. Seed entered his aorta I am told and he died very quick. Super nice dog I would have loved to breed to.
 
Got me thinking so I just checked the seeding plans of all my CP33 Quail Buffer strips all have wild rye componets Damm!:eek: But the good news is all the rest and by far the larger amount of acres of my plantings are free of rye.:thumbsup:
 
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FCSpringer, can you enlighten me as to what happens to your dogs. I have only hunted in Cali. and AZ. the main thing we have is other wildlife and choyo catii. We had one of our groups .Lab dive into some and came out yelping and leapt into his arms and stapled his jacket to him...Thank you
 
Got me thinking so I just checked the seeding plans of all my CP33 Quail Buffer strips all have wild rye componets Damm!:eek: But the good news is all the rest and by far the larger amount of acres of my plantings are free of rye.:thumbsup:


Jim, they have to leave it out if you request it. Do not let them do it. make them plant something else. No canada, no virgina, no rye. No cheat grass.. it is your land, and if they stick a nose up, tell them how it is.
 
FCSpringer, can you enlighten me as to what happens to your dogs. I have only hunted in Cali. and AZ. the main thing we have is other wildlife and choyo catii. We had one of our groups .Lab dive into some and came out yelping and leapt into his arms and stapled his jacket to him...Thank you


The seed or awn, burrows in like a porcupine quill. It travels through the dog, leaving a trail of infection. It goes one direction. It will eventually move to vital organs, or cause so much infection, it will kill your dog as sure as I stand here. Seen many many nice animals die from it now. Often has been diagnosed as cancer by vets not in the know. Treatment is very expensive If you figure it out. If your lucky, a dye can be put in the dogs wound, and follow the seed path to where it is. Then dig it out. Many times a vet cuts a part of the flesh away, and does not get it. Because it has moved. Meanseeds.com has some info. More to come in time.
 
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The seed or awn, burrows in like a porcupine quill. It travels through the dog, leaving a trail of infection. It goes one direction. It will eventually move to vital organs, or cause so much infection, it will kill your dog as sure as I stand here. Seen many many nice animals die from it now. Often has been diagnosed as cancer by vets not in the know. Treatment is very expensive If you figure it out. If your lucky, a dye can be put in the dogs wound, and follow the seed path to where it is. Then dig it out. Many times a vet cuts a part of the flesh away, and does not get it. Because it has moved. Meanseeds.com has some info. More to come in time.

FCSpringer, Thank you, for telling me as I would hate to lose a friend and hunting buddy to a something I didn't know about.
I will keep up on your info and will tell all I know to friends,Thanks...:thumbsup:
 
FCSpringer, Thank you, for telling me as I would hate to lose a friend and hunting buddy to a something I didn't know about.
I will keep up on your info and will tell all I know to friends,Thanks...:thumbsup:

Go to the site and look at the pics, learn how to Identify it and others. If you see a thick patch, which many of it is, do your self a favor and leave. It sorta looks like wheat. Not as big of seeds, but similar in look.
 
FCSpringer, Thanks for the info. I went to the site MEANSEEDS.com like you said. We have had problems with "foxtails" here. But they, (Meanseeds) are calling this "grass awn". They sound like very similar grasses.
 
Yes you are right, foxtail, johnson grass are just as viscious,I had a K-State vet bill in 1979 before we knew the severity of this. The awns can get you, I have seen dogs who got in their pads and had it migrate up to something life threating. Inhaling, puncture under the skin, any exposure is russian roulette!
 
Thats why I just can't understand the reasoning of PF and the USDA planting it in our new public lands and CRP! I can't say how I truly feel about em,LOL. I drove by a new public south of Evansville MN, and it was nothing but C rye. Solid, felt sorry for the ones who went and ran the dogs through that death trap not knowing.
 
Thats why I just can't understand the reasoning of PF and the USDA planting it in our new public lands and CRP! I can't say how I truly feel about em,LOL. I drove by a new public south of Evansville MN, and it was nothing but C rye. Solid, felt sorry for the ones who went and ran the dogs through that death trap not knowing.

Yeah. I saw a lot of it in the new CREP areas in SD too. Thought of you the other day when I drove by a new area the county put in. No dogs allowed on it so I suppose it's no be deal, but the field was loaded with CR:eek:

I've seen more acres with CR in it this past year than I had all my years combined.

Guess we're moving in the wrong direction on the issue:confused:

PF, state and local conservation agencies, along with a Fed'l biologist I talked with on the subject don't seem to see the dangers of CR for some reason. I gave up on the issue along with a few others I was working on regarding pheasants.:(
 
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I started emailing and calling my congressmen. Try to get through to a few who hunt. It is all about dogs with people. Call them out in public news paper. See if your local news will want a story. Gotta keep trying. If we do nothing, there will be a whole lot of dogs not living full lives. Hard to swallow, when we devote so much time and companionship to them. Even the ones that you cant go in, they opened some of them up here later. They have been opening up waterfowl refuges, due to geese I think. So never say never. 10 years later it may be open to U.
 
Ken, maybe there is a way this could be brought to the forefront at this years Pheasant Fest in Mpls. I couldn't think of a better venue to get maximum exposure. Not sure how it could be done or who the keynote speakers (if any) will be there from national or local government, but something to think about.
 
Ken, maybe there is a way this could be brought to the forefront at this years Pheasant Fest in Mpls. I couldn't think of a better venue to get maximum exposure. Not sure how it could be done or who the keynote speakers (if any) will be there from national or local government, but something to think about.

PF sells that crap! And encourages you to plant it! Make the message to them! They don't see the value. which gives me the the thought, if they can't get the message? are they an effective mouthpiece for us pheasant dog hunters? After all we have Monsanto as a "partner" in conservation! I bet their message gets delivered. I realize it's treason here, but there it is!
 
PF sells that crap! And encourages you to plant it! Make the message to them! They don't see the value. which gives me the the thought, if they can't get the message? are they an effective mouthpiece for us pheasant dog hunters? After all we have Monsanto as a "partner" in conservation! I bet their message gets delivered. I realize it's treason here, but there it is!

You wont hear a thing from me but I am on that choir. Not supporting them till they change. Love the idea, hate the result. It's really a very simple task, just toss it in the garbage and plant something else. I have never see an issue easier to resolve for government in my life, and they just dont do it.
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