Dakota's CRP Disaster 2012
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birdshooter
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WOW ! NoDak is really taking a hit.
UGUIDE
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CRP needs a rebirth anyways. IMO the general is obsolete. Better management needs to happen thru the CCRP programs.
Since the Generals are way down on offers that will open the door for more acres via CCRP like SAFE, CP-37 and FWP.
IMO 2 big issues facing CRP are the design of more targeted CCRP programs and the Sale, Education and Marketing of the CCRP programs to target resource concerns of the taxpayers.
Weather thumped the state of pheasants last year but I predict we will see the pheasants rebound and show a positive increase on the GFP reports come August.
Since the Generals are way down on offers that will open the door for more acres via CCRP like SAFE, CP-37 and FWP.
IMO 2 big issues facing CRP are the design of more targeted CCRP programs and the Sale, Education and Marketing of the CCRP programs to target resource concerns of the taxpayers.
Weather thumped the state of pheasants last year but I predict we will see the pheasants rebound and show a positive increase on the GFP reports come August.
moellermd
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I would agree with that assesment
UGUIDE
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Indeed a separate and disturbing trend driven by grain prices. You could also lump in the increase in corn and bean acres while acres are diminishing in winter/spring wheat as well as other small grains. Native prairie grass conversion is another cover type that is diminishing.
I hope those new continuous acres come in a hurry otherwise the sport is going to drown before the "lifeboat" arrives.
For those of you that have been around since about 2005 on the old Pheasant Country website know if have been sounding the alarm bells continuoisly and often.
Personally I dont see how the sport will survive another 5 years. If someone sees another outcome I sure would like to have it explained and give us some hope.
Thanks
For those of you that have been around since about 2005 on the old Pheasant Country website know if have been sounding the alarm bells continuoisly and often.
Personally I dont see how the sport will survive another 5 years. If someone sees another outcome I sure would like to have it explained and give us some hope.
Thanks
I guess I am a little surprised the state of SD has not started some type of significant program to preserve habitat and the huge NR income generated by pheasant hunting....maybe their plan is to provide a huge release of pen raised birds a week before the season opens, when the natural levels of wild birds falls to a paltry level?.......anyway, this is going to be interesting. 
1pheas4
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I think the solution is not a very appealing one. That is, let everything go. CRP and all other programs. We'll end up hitting rock bottom like the dust bowl era and from there put laws and programs in place that balance things out. We won't have a choice in the matter a that point.
No doubt, we're in a bad situation here. Unfortunately we haven't seen the end of it.
I think the solution is not a very appealing one. That is, let everything go. CRP and all other programs. We'll end up hitting rock bottom like the dust bowl era and from there put laws and programs in place that balance things out. We won't have a choice in the matter a that point.
No doubt, we're in a bad situation here. Unfortunately we haven't seen the end of it.
I don't know about you guys, but I doubt I live to see it! As we the witness the end of wild pheasant hunting we are also seeing our numbers shrink appreciably. We will see what we have seen in Great Britian. The game is gone, the habitat degraded, there is not any traditions left, its the old Fart's who survive, and global millionaires who subsidize a era of things past. The ducks hunters hang-on, probably what we'll have here, when all else is gone. Upland game populations are a result of good timing. Economic timing, to expensive to root the weeds and till ground, or the market base which devalues grains or the government which subsizes it, there are a lot more consumer/voters who get a break at the bread line. double sword, with commodity prices seem to be soaring, farmland prices will continue to climb, force our donations to be concentrationed,fewer dollars to spend which will cause less conservation dollars, to be spent on less acres. Be in the center row seat, hard to be able to see, even in scant 10 years sight window. It is true enough that history repeats itself, the farm markets will crash, land will be devalued, birds are extremely viable, some men are foresighted and will be prepared to show us what we missing, men are born to hunt, it's inffectious, and the seeds we send on, might be the generation, that we provided the conservation fervor to, who will be more successful, wiser, than we were. Standing on the forward wall of destruction, and see it looming forward is daunting.
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wesslpointer
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Old & new it sounds like the perfect time to start a new Versatile dog breed! I guess could teach them to point gofers in the yard and retrive the newspaper oops wont have a newspaper ether .
www.wesslpointer.comOld & new it sounds like the perfect time to start a new Versatile dog breed! I guess could teach them to point gofers in the yard and retrive the newspaper oops wont have a newspaper ether .
Dock dogs, or there lots of golf courses, shag golf from errant shots!
moellermd
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Even if all this doom and gloom come true hunting will be like it is for me now. You start hunting at noon with 2 other guys and by the end of the day it is a good day to shoot 5-6 roosters. Killing a triple limit is a rarity but it is special when it happens.
Well lets how rosey it looks, when you strive all day, see a rooster, and or flush a hen or two? That what hunters in a vast area of pretty good former habitat, in Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio, Illinois, Missouri, and NE Kansas, have gotten in this sad state, in a short span of years. Penn. used to harvest 1million birds a year. From where you are now to where might be is laughable. To even see limit in these states is memorable. I can happen to you. I have property in NW Missouri, we will see a handful of pheasants a day, used to be we balanced that out with quail, that is gone as well, Admitted we were in the south boundry of pheasant habitat. But for many years it was very good. I would have your problems and be tickled to death. As I say, it can change, and in my expenience it will never be a positive outcome. These might be the good old days! Those are numbers per day we see in a season! At least we remember, that might be the ironic hard part.
Spreckels Guide Service
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i'm from winner south dakota, and anything and everything is getting farmed, but i tell you what, i have seen tons of nests in the ditches, and we are cutting our praire hay right now, and although the birds were way down last year due to a wet spring, every hen i have seen has 10-15 chicks with her, i think people are over exaggerating the pheasant population due to excessive farming and less crp, from what i have seen, pheasants will put a nest anywhere, even if that means a little grass in the ditch, i'm looking for good numbers this year, probably not a record crop, but really good.
The 170 acres of CRP that I took out of the program is going to be managed much more effectively for hay production and bird habitat than what the old rules allowed and darn sure the new rules that were presented to me. Financially, it was a no brainer plus as I see it much better for the wildlife.