Colorado to Release Pheasants? Yes Please

How about a little CO history:)
Although I agree that pen raised birds would not entice me to travel very far (I have shot exactly two planted birds in my life although I have let nephews shoot a couple more when I was training my retriver to hunt), I do have some anecdotal evidence of how it has "worked out" (defiantly up to interpretation) in Colorado in the past. When I moved to the San Luis Valley in 1998, I started to duck hunt due to the fact that pheasants are a long way off. However, I heard from local hunters that el Valle used to have great pheasant hunting, and indeed there is a small population still living on the federal wildlife areas and the immediately surrounding farms (although they have always are chased into the off limits to hunting portions of the areas before season starts by the duck hunting activity). The reason for the decline is that farming practices changed, farmers winter till, burn ditches etc. and there is absolutely zero winter cover habitat for birds. Also, alfalfa is grown in large amounts here, and that is a death sentence to nesting hens. However, Speaking to friends in the DOW, I discovered that back in the hay day of SLV pheasant hunting, the division used to release a huge number of birds each year for hunting, these were the birds that my friends remember hunting in the past and whose descendants still survive in the small amount of remaining habitat available to them (USFWS lands). However, they stopped the platings for economic reasons, but also due to the fact that the farming practices switched from primarily food crops to lots of alfalfa and this left no cover for them to survive even for limited amounts of time. They felt that where year round habitat was available, some did survive until the next year as is proven by that remnant population on the USFWS lands.

As for line hunting, although I don't do it a lot anymore and prefer to go with a small group or even myself, I do remember every opening weekend in the late 70s/early 80s when going to Yuma a meeting a large group of my fathers friends was THE ONLY exposure to hunting I had. Nobody had a dog, very few properties were posted, and we walked a heck of along way everyday. The rush of stepping on a rooster at age 10 is the reason I still hunt today. People, especially with kids, need a way to get introduced to the sport and this is an excellent way. Plus I still occasionally do it when invited to participate in large Kansas opening day "shoots" with extended families and locals. Those days are more of an social occasion with these nice folks, and a great way to get my dog a huge number of retrieves in one or two days, and access to private land later in the year when no one else is hunting these properties. Be flexible, enjoy every chance you get to get out there and remember that many of those large groups on opening day COULD very well be locals out with extended families. Chat them up.....
 
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Everyone has their own opinions some rooted in fact, some in casual observance others are just belief. My suggestion would be to impose a WIA fee again and to have a pheasant stamp. Kansas does this with the Prairie Chicken. It takes money whether through private organizations ie.. Pheasants Forever or through increased fees.

My other suggestion would be to do away with the necessity for hunter ed for those under 15 or so much the way Kansas does with their youth mentor license. We have to get young people involved the fewer the obstacles the better the recruitment also the more likely they will be willing to take hunter safety in the future. There needs to be a future need for government or any one else to pay attention.

As far as stocked birds I have mixed feelings. I believe that it could help. Yes it would bring the throngs of moron hunters out. Much the same way as the stocking truck has every idiot with a Zebco out on the marginal trout streams of Va but the stockers kept the pressure off of my beautiful brookies. How many hard core bird hunters could you recruit from that pool, my guess is at least a few. Then we would have more voices added to our cause. My love of fly fishing came from chasing stockers near my home in the piedmont of Va.

Also I am sure the stocked birds would be shot first thereby giving wild birds some measure of relief. I also think some stocked birds would make it through probably around 1% but at this point even four or five birds into the gene pool would help. My concern is disease pen birds are raised in close proximity to each other giving rise to sickness the possibility of this affecting wild birds scares the crap out of me. Well just my thoughts.



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Interesting thought and conversation, so I will put in my $.02...

I was a wildlife biologist in a Midwestern state and started my career working on that state's pheasant program. I have quite a bit of experience raising, managing and hunting pheasants. From what I have seen, habitat conditions and habitat COMPONENTS vary DRASTICALLY from areas with a lot of pheasants (North/South Dakota/Nebraska/Iowa) to areas with variable populations (Colorado), to areas with few or no pheasants.

Even more puzzling to many hunters is the lack of pheasants in areas which are seemingly similar in habitat, e.g. Eastern Colorado-western Kansas, Iowa-Illinois/Wisconsin, etc. We need to. Remember that pheasants need high quality habitat year-round. Many of the marginal areas around the country have seasonally good habitat at first glance, but lack major components at critical times of the year.

One of the most striking examples/contrasts of missing habitat components that I have seen and experienced is the difference between the Dakotas and Colorado. The Dakotas are, as you all know, part of the "duck factory" because of all the prairie potholes and other ephemeral wetlands. While absolutely critical for ducks, wetlands are also a very important habitat component for maintaining good pheasant numbers. Obviously, we lack such water blessings here in Colorado.

Because of that, our pheasants only do well when habitat conditions on a year-round basis are at least "very good" onwards up towards "ideal", if that has ever happened here.

Stocking birds, except for the original stockings Judge Owen Denny brought to the Willamette Valley and beyond, has not proven an effective way to establish and maintain pheasant populations. The original stockings were done in many many places but strong, continuous, self-sustaining populations have only survived in areas of ideal or near-ideal habitat conditions. There are so many variables - elevation, moisture, winter cover, nesting cover, insect populations, annual and perennial weed seed production and availability, predators and predator perches and corridors, night-time temperatures in these spring and summer, lime content of the soil, on an do and on.

So, it's all a matter of expectations. Stocking pheasants in Colorado would/could bolster the number of birds available for hunting recreation each fall. Raising and stocking pheasants is not cheap and requires quite a bit of man-power (not to be sexist), but I consider the price I pay for my hunting and fishing licenses to be a bargain and would GLADLY pay for the WIA stamp and even a pheasant stamp. That money could pay for a put-take program to make us all happy in the fall and early winter. But it can't make Colorado "ideal" pheasant country, it won't help feed cattle in a drought when ranchers have to cut their cover for emergency feeding, and it can't make it rain.
 
line hunting

cedham - sounds like a good plan.

Shoot me down for this :laugh: but I would like to see line hunting curtailed. It just makes me sick when I see a dozen or so folks spread out in a line walking across a field. IMHO that isn't pheasant hunting, that is simply pheasant shooting. The thing is that you don't typically see that after opening weekend in Colorado. It would be fine with me if DOW or whatever it has been renamed would put the complete kibosh on line hunting altogether or maybe the first 2 weeks of the season.

right! what we need is just one more law to stumble over. hunting really doesn't do much to change the pheasant populations and you all know that, the more we can do to spoil the fun of others, the fewer the hunters and then the fewer hunting opportunities we will have, i think it is disgusting and don't do it but it is other people's business and i will go and do my own thing, my dog and me and maybe pastor john. besides, probably they feel dogs ought to be outlawed cause in using them it makes shooting pheasants the same as fish in a barrel there is security in numbers, get over it.

cheers
 
I'm all for a WIA fee and a pheasant stamp, as long as they spend that money on habitat!

I think that excessive hunting pressure is the #1 reason it's hard to kill birds on WIAs, even more so than the bad hatch or lack of cover. I was out yesterday and found plenty of birds in areas I have access to that are adjacent to WIAs. I tried a few WIAs and would've thought that pheasants are extinct in CO if I hadn't hunted the other areas. Perhaps we need a reservation system for WIAs like the DOW does with some of the duck hunting properties. Birds won't stick around if the same land gets hunted every day, much less three times a day.
 
Spend the money on habitat not on pen raised chitbirds.
I'm sure P.F. is going crazy over this crap.
I'm sure the writer of the article doesn't know much about pheasants,
he likes free hunts on preserves trying to make money.
 
Notice how none of the states that release pheasants have good pheasant hunting. I think it's a waste of money to release pheasants for the sake of short term success. Poor habitat and drought are the biggest limiting factors for pheasant populations in Colorado. A few years ago pheasants everywhere, even people that don't pheasant hunt much are picking up limits of roosters. In 2013 you're going to have to earn roosters and drought is the largest to blame, let alone two years in a row with CRP being grazed and hayed. This isn't the first time this has happened and it wont be the last. There will be much better years in the future if we use our money wisely and invest in creating pheasant havens rather than buying pheasants and releasing them into a wasteland. Just my two cents....
 
Everyone has their own opinions some rooted in fact, some in casual observance others are just belief. My suggestion would be to impose a WIA fee again and to have a pheasant stamp. Kansas does this with the Prairie Chicken. It takes money whether through private organizations ie.. Pheasants Forever or through increased fees.

My other suggestion would be to do away with the necessity for hunter ed for those under 15 or so much the way Kansas does with their youth mentor license. We have to get young people involved the fewer the obstacles the better the recruitment also the more likely they will be willing to take hunter safety in the future. There needs to be a future need for government or any one else to pay attention.

As far as stocked birds I have mixed feelings. I believe that it could help. Yes it would bring the throngs of moron hunters out. Much the same way as the stocking truck has every idiot with a Zebco out on the marginal trout streams of Va but the stockers kept the pressure off of my beautiful brookies. How many hard core bird hunters could you recruit from that pool, my guess is at least a few. Then we would have more voices added to our cause. My love of fly fishing came from chasing stockers near my home in the piedmont of Va.

Also I am sure the stocked birds would be shot first thereby giving wild birds some measure of relief. I also think some stocked birds would make it through probably around 1% but at this point even four or five birds into the gene pool would help. My concern is disease pen birds are raised in close proximity to each other giving rise to sickness the possibility of this affecting wild birds scares the crap out of me. Well just my thoughts.



Have a Good 'Urn,
bones

Kansas Prairie Chicken Stamp is $ 2.50 and covers only the research on where and how many were harvested. So after you buy your stamp they will call you and ask you how you did and where you hunted and if you shot a LPC or a GPC for $ 2.50 cents.
 
Why not try out some Huns if we are going to release birds. They can thrive in overgrazed/over cultivated crap like most of the walk in. Farmers just cut the stubble to the dirt, even disk early. I think it probably has to do with money and drought.
I spend a lot of time in the eastern part of the state and it seems the birds have done extremely well in certain areas. Others are nearly devoid of pheasants. I think planting birds could help curb the mortality rate of wild birds. Paying landowners more would help too. If the birds are seen as revenue the land use practices will change. It's what happened in so dak
On the bright side prairie chickens are doing pretty well here in co.
 
If we had a $50 WIA stamp does anyone really think without water from the sky the habitat would be any better? You would just have more acres of desert to walk. Just because you plant something doesn't assure it will grow. Yet we would still be on here saying, the end of the pheasant is here. We have had the perfect storm the last 2 years. Look what no rain, above average temps, crop prices and pesticides and even habitat loss and there is still a few birds left. Just think what could happen if the stars align in the other direction. It can happen just as fast. We all knew it wasn't going to be a good year for the last 2 years if you had your head out of the sand.
 
Why not Stock

From what I have seen on these forums, most folks complain about the lack of birds now in the walk in access areas. Some say it is because they lifted the need for a walk-in permit. My experience has been great in those areas, however I only get out 2 or 3 times a year due to the amount of miles and gas to access them.

Wouldn't stalked birds keep some pressure off these walk-in areas, thus keeping more birds in these areas. If they introduced a stocking option on WMAs and not WIA it may actually improve the wild population by decreasing hunting pressure in those areas and giving the public to include the youth more hunting opportunities. You could have a stamp or pay system for stocked birds that would pay at or near cost and keep funds for WIA.

So for those out there to proud to hunt a stocked bird, it is a win win. One you get less hunters sharing WIAs and 2 the average Joe's can get out more than once or twice a season. I have been in states where this works and works well. Wild pheasant areas and stocked areas.
 
stocked birds

no!!! hunting is not the reason we don't have more roosters to shoot and it is not the hunting pressure that is causing you to come home empty handed. if the above were true, as we hunted the fields, where ever, you would be plagued by the number of hens you were getting up, bet that is not happening. there are not more hens cause there is not good cover and feed for them or for roosters either for that matter. as people don't very often shoot hens, they should be all over the place, true they are the first usually to die cause of predators or weather problems but the fact they don't get shot, there should be lots of them, they just are not there.

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In South Dakota any pay to hunt land has to add 1.1 pheasants back to the population of every bird taken off of their property, I have been on public land and shot birds up there with enlarged nostrils from pecking protectors. So habitiat first, then get some birds out there. JMO

I am sorry but that is not true. Preserves have to replace birds but not places that hunt wild birds. We have to provide habitat and let God produce them. There are places that are not preserves that do add birds to the wild population, but there is know requirement.
 
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If you guys do get favorable weather and the cover does well in your pheasant country. With the very low to non-existent present numbers of birds.
The rebound will likely happen, may take a long time for the wild birds to fill in the void areas.
If all is in place pen raised pheasants will repopulate an area. Year around cover habitat, food and predator control.
Pheasant management, instead of wildlife management. :thumbsup:

Wish Y'all good weather to start with.
 
Hunting pressure

By no means am I saying it will help the population. I am simply stating it will reduce pressure on the walk-in which in turn would produce more satisfaction for those seeking the wild pheasant. The average joe is not going to drive 2 and 1/2 hours when then can go to a WMA and hunt stocked birds.
 
By no means am I saying it will help the population. I am simply stating it will reduce pressure on the walk-in which in turn would produce more satisfaction for those seeking the wild pheasant. The average joe is not going to drive 2 and 1/2 hours when then can go to a WMA and hunt stocked birds.

might, but don't count on the fish and game for much help on that one. wyo, has what i think is a pretty good program and if they didn't stock birds, there would be no pheasant hunting in wyo. there must be a pile of info on their program as they have run it for a number of years. there is a rumor out there however, that they might stop it due to the cost and the small benefit that is derived from it. think they stock around 15000 birds with none of them making it as carry overs, with them also, habitat is the big thing, mostly is is lacking

cheers
 
If we had a $50 WIA stamp does anyone really think without water from the sky the habitat would be any better? You would just have more acres of desert to walk. Just because you plant something doesn't assure it will grow. Yet we would still be on here saying, the end of the pheasant is here. We have had the perfect storm the last 2 years. Look what no rain, above average temps, crop prices and pesticides and even habitat loss and there is still a few birds left. Just think what could happen if the stars align in the other direction. It can happen just as fast. We all knew it wasn't going to be a good year for the last 2 years if you had your head out of the sand.

Wise wordz!....habitat costs just as much and might have the same Kind of success. ...so again, ...habitat or birds...it can only be a positive for us here trying to hunt this high desert! ...what about quail?...they should survive better. ..correct?
 
To clarify myself...when I say things have only got worse since they did away with the permit...I mostly mean the monstrous increase in numbers of hunters. Especially those that abuse things!...that being said...there is NO WAY that the numbers of hunters hasn't hurt as well! In years past it was easy to walk around and find fields with no hunters or hadn't been hit at all! ...I.e...the field I hit opening morning I frequented the last year of the permit and granted it was a great couple years of moisture. ...but I believe that I hit that field on 5-6 weekends including the opener and never ran into other hunters. That was at the peak of the perfect moisture storm for us too!...in the now 4th season since, I've hit the same field for the opener and it has progressively gotten worse. Seriously, this year before I left it on that day I estimated around 40 hunters and near 20 vehicles! So there is no possible way the crazy increase in numbers has not hurt things. ...and it is like that everywhere you go now. You are damn hard pressed to find a decent field that hasn't had multiple groups in it after the first field of the day.

Though I totally understand the crowds are what I get for hunting public...I personally am more saddened by the lack of respect for the land owners, for other hunters, and seemingly no end to the lack of knowledge about "the proper" ways to hunt and act!...but don't even try to tell me the the massive increase in hunters hasn't help hurt numbers! ;)
 
quail

never have lived in quail areas so my experience with them is more limited. i have been in colorado and hunting birds since the early 60's. quail were always a treat to stumble upon but nice hunting populations were very hard to come by. while they prefer more open areas, shorter vegetation, they still need moisture to live. example the cotton tops of south eastern colorado, think lamar. you have water, you have lots of quail. the last time that happened was 3 years ago and now to go down there with the hopes of shooting one is a crap shoot to even see one of the things, the only real difference between the two birds are the height of the grass., the common areas are moisture, bugs and seeds. no rain in texas, no quail either

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