Body Grip Trap. MN SF1325

[birddemon]

This is the way anti hunting groups go about their obsession.
One step at a time, if this bill passes it will be the leg hold traps next.

If that is your reasoning, Would you care to explain how WI trappers are still using legholds and their body grips 17 yrs later.

Or Michigan guys who are still using body grips and legholds 6 yrs later? What about New York still using legholds and body grips 8 yrs later?

It is hardly a step to ban trapping altogether

 

[koja48]

What's sad is coming-upon a young man whose dog had just died in a kill trap. That memory has stayed with me a long time. Folks can do as they see fit, but I will ALWAYS reserve the right to look-out for the safety & well-being of my dogs.

 

[McFarmer]

I early lost a coon hound from a snare. If I hadn't been minutes behind him I most likely would have.

 

[birddemon]

Lucky you were so close!

A friend of mine take advantage of our mild winter for a December Grouse Hunt, his dog was caught in a body grip just 30 yards away from him. Was familar enough with how to release the trap and he's a big guy...still had to give his dog CPR. It was a legal set.

I hunt with three dogs on the ground. I call it the flusher tornado method. I can't imagine trying to release a struggling dog caught in one with two others with me and the likelihood of more traps close by.

 

[Tbear]

I don't like traps on the ground. Move them up. I don't want to loose a dog to a trap. Call it selfish but $10 pelts are not worth my dogs life. I have talked to a few trapers and if your dog gets hit by a 330's you might as well call your dog dead 75% of the time. Its common sense. Things change and I thinks this is a step in the right direction because if you don't you will lose all traping rights. We live a world that in 24hrs over a million people can see someone's dead dog in a trap. Don't be stubborn just to be stubborn. Some change is OK and the world will not end. Good discussion I like to here it from both sides.

 

[FCSpringer]

I early lost a coon hound from a snare. If I hadn't been minutes behind him I most likely would have.

For one thing a snare is not a body grip trap. Second, if your a coon hunter your likely to be about the only dog running person that will run in to a trapper. And you know full and well you may. I coon hunted for 20 years, ran in night hunts. There is this thing called "PRIVATE LAND"... What business is it of all of ours to tell another what to do as far as varmint control on their land? What is this other then socialism and anti sportsman in one way or another. Have any of you been to a trapping convention to listen to Us trappers side??, NO? Thought so. The true fact is your far greater to be struck by lightning, your dog be run over by a bicycle, a car, or train. Your dog is far more likely to croak from old age or a bad bag of dog treats. Most any of you can hardly even say you have ever seen a trap let alone be in a run in with one. The body grip is as humane as it gets. Much of the state there is no way to put them off the ground. Have you ever seen miles of farm land with 0 trees? Yes you have. If you feel your entitled to trespass, I am sorry, but your not. "ASK A LAND OWNER IF TRAPPERS ARE THERE", simple. Most of this story telling is just that, a story. In nearly 50 years and countless dogs including, pointers, coon dogs, and flushing dogs. There is not a sole on earth that hunts any more then I do. And notta, zilcho, zippo encounters with traps. And certainly not on private land because I ask. And If I ask to trap, and you trespass? Your at fault, you are the one who put your dog at risk. Teach your kids to respect asking permission. Go to trapping conventions and co exist, educate your self on where the likely spots are going to be. Its not rocket science... And its nothing to fear with a little effort on all your parts as well. We need trapping, and the tools at hand are as important as any guy and a gun. I hear far more stories of shooting accidents then trapping. Are we going to go down that road in this country too? CO EXIST, and support all forms of sporsts and a way of life for crying out loud. I try hard to avoid this type of thing, but to say one side can have an opinion is BS. In this case the uneducated side is the anti side. And yes, again, I feel no shame in saying I see that as sad times when we go there.

 

[FCSpringer]

PS Tbear, I am guessing you as well don't know the law because we cant use 330's. unless submerged for beaver. LOL. It has been that way for many many many years.

 

[birddemon]

PS Tbear, I am guessing you as well don't know the law because we cant use 330's. unless submerged for beaver. LOL. It has been that way for many many many years.

The law only requires half submersion, Grouse Hunter lost his dog in one this fall. Three 330's and a baited 220 sitting 50' off of a Designated Hunter Walking Trail.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/...pping-regulations-after-dog-dies-in-conibear/

BG exerts 90lbs of pressure per square inch..a dog doesn't have a chance in a 330

Even with the smaller 220 you have about 5 minutes tops

 

[Tbear]

PS Tbear, I am guessing you as well don't know the law because we cant use 330's. unless submerged for beaver. LOL. It has been that way for many many many years.

I still have run into them on wma s bairly under the water. That my dog was swimimg in. It was a hot day and the dogs needed to cool off.The state traper stoped by to check them as weere leaving. How about some sort of law that says you need to mark the area they are in? I just don't like not knowing were they are.

 

[birddemon]

FCS Springer

What about the public land sets? Do you think precautions like restrictive openings and further trap recess distance should be done their? That is land shared by everyone "COEXIST"

Ppl don't have problems with trappers..no reason to be a victim. It's the regs. You can't deny WI is still trapping, in greater numbers, great fur harvest reports and less dogs dying.

Cars, lightning, coyotes....that's all owner's "faults" and acts of God. No reason for a trap to be put in either category...it's simple and the risk to bird dogs can be minimized

 

[BRITTMAN]

Increased regs and rules on public land would be a great start. Also include the new regs on all road ditches. Most non-hunting dogs that run into body grip traps are killed this way.

As would requiring trappers to have written permission for private land. Trappers have been known to cross boundaries ... with out permission.

The true fact is your far greater to be struck by lightning, your dog be run over by a bicycle, a car, or train. Your dog is far more likely to croak from old age or a bad bag of dog treats.

This argument is lame at best.

Sure - dogs are vulnerable to heat stroke, b-g algae, cars / trucks, rabid animals, poison, wolves, the list goes on....

When on Public Land the threat to my dogs should be minimized. Especially those that are human induced.

I HAVE seen both body grip traps and leg hold traps in the wild... my first dog got caught in two separate 1.5s.

The body grip traps that I saw was two years ago. Both were taped and half submerged.

I have read the MN trappers position ... I do not need to attend the meeting.

 

[BRITTMAN]

Oh by the way, the new regs to not ban trapping or eliminate body grip traps ... they just decrease the likely hood of dogs getting caught in them.

It increases the penalties for trappers violating trespass.

FCS have you read the legislation or just listen to the trappers whine at the local meeting ?

 

[BRITTMAN]

This is the way anti hunting groups go about their obsession.
One step at a time, if this bill passes it will be the leg hold traps next.
What better way to support their cause then to come on a forum where just about all of us have dog (dogs) and care very much for our companions.
I for one am VERY suspicious, you guys do what you like.

No way, not in Minnesota. Our state government is very pro outdoors. The trend has been much the opposite ... doves, wolves, etc...

No way would trapping be banned ...

Again, this does not ban body grip traps ... it lifts them up or puts them in recesses that dogs cannot get into ...

 

[FCSpringer]

See this is that attitude I am talking about. You would do more good worrying about canad wild rye, or barbed wire.:thumbsup: These are real threats that you will run in to.

 

[FCSpringer]

No way, not in Minnesota. Our state government is very pro outdoors. The trend has been much the opposite ... doves, wolves, etc...

No way would trapping be banned ...

Again, this does not ban body grip traps ... it lifts them up or puts them in recesses that dogs cannot get into ...

And how do you propose to lift them up where there is o trees? Make a trapper haul a semi load of construction materials to build platforms all over the state on private land LOL. Educate your self is all you need to do. And I don't believe it was the trappers that did the whining LOL. They are the ones being attacked, not doing the whining. Until this started they were conducting business the same as always. And with little to no issue.
:thumbsup:

 

[birddemon]

And how do you propose to lift them up where there is o trees? Make a trapper haul a semi load of construction materials to build platforms all over the state on private land LOL. Educate your self is all you need to do. And I don't believe it was the trappers that did the whining LOL. They are the ones being attacked, not doing the whining. Until this started they were conducting business the same as always. And with little to no issue.
:thumbsup:

The very first yr the "awning" reg was put in place, twenty dogs were caught. Nine of them died. Luckily some owners were close by and knew how to release the BG. Every single one of those sets were legal. Do you really call that "little to no issue"? If you do, you are part of the problem.

lol! You act like the only trap that will catch a coon is a BG! Here's a MN DNR report from a trapper survey.

"Approximately 75% of respondents statewide had trapped raccoon in Minnesota in the past 5 years, with an increased proportion of respondents from the south region participating. Respondents were asked what types of traps they used when trapping raccoon, including dryland body grippers as trail sets, dryland body grippers in cubby boxes, foothold traps, and snares. The greatest proportion (85.0%) used foothold traps, followed by dryland body grippers in cubby boxes (59.7%), dryland body grippers as trail sets (45.7%), and snares (24.1%). Respondents were asked which types of body gripper traps they used, and the greatest proportions used #220 and #160 traps, with very few using #120 and #150 traps. Over three- fourths of respondents used long spring or coil spring foothold traps compared to foot encapsulating."

 

[FCSpringer]

I don't believe a word of it. Not one bit. Show me the proof. I can come on the internet and say you rob banks. Many of them. Does it mean its true. NO! Most of this is garbage and Lies. Trapping has been here since the Mayflower hit the shore. You have not. Some of you may have even just moved here. Its OK for you to speak your side, but no one elses? Sorry, but it does not work that way. No need to argue. You said your peace. You cant expect people to believe your statement just because you decided to type it do you? That's a very common tactic of anti anything. There was no pheasants, bird dogs, and all that at one time. There was a fur trade, still is and there was trappers, still is. So to come on now and say you have to stop so "we can" is silly. And again the stories are false and have 0 backbone with any real creditable data. All BS.

 

[BRITTMAN]

See this is that attitude I am talking about. You would do more good worrying about canad wild rye, or barbed wire.:thumbsup: These are real threats that you will run in to.

Barb wire rips open and I staple (vet taught me how and I have the staple gun). Known danger. Body grip traps are hidden killers and not "hurters".

Most dogs have one (max) incident with barb wire. I have had two incidents in over 30 years of running Brittanys in the wild. They live and learn. Not so sure that would be true with conibears.

Wild rye is visual to some of us that know what it looks like and are paying attention. Most often avoidable. To that end - it is most often on private land and by FCS comments - we have to live and respect that - don't like it, move on. Unsure if it was rye, but I had a Britt that require vet attention because a seed stem shot right into her foot (ouch).

FCS - back off slightly on the condescending attitude.

 

[birddemon]

I don't believe a word of it. Not one bit. Show me the proof. I can come on the internet and say you rob banks. Many of them. Does it mean its true. NO! Most of this is garbage and Lies. Trapping has been here since the Mayflower hit the shore. You have not. Some of you may have even just moved here. Its OK for you to speak your side, but no one elses? Sorry, but it does not work that way. No need to argue. You said your peace. You cant expect people to believe your statement just because you decided to type it do you? That's a very common tactic of anti anything. There was no pheasants, bird dogs, and all that at one time. There was a fur trade, still is and there was trappers, still is. So to come on now and say you have to stop so "we can" is silly. And again the stories are false and have 0 backbone with any real creditable data. All BS.

My mistake, it was late last night..only 15 of the twenty dogs caught the first yr of the awning reg were in BG traps. And nine of them died. That doesn't sound a whole lot better

"Since the trapping season began in October, the DNR has received 20 reports of dogs being caught in traps, 15 of them in body-gripping traps, 3 in foothold and 2 in snares. Nine of those dogs died, all in body grip traps. Not one citation was issued for illegal set"
http://www.startribune.com/sports/outdoors/199706491.html

The difference between you and I is that I researched this. Being a hunter, I didn't want to buy into what others on either side were preaching. I looked a fur takes before and after WI got their regs, have the info on how many dogs get caught over there annually, I have every report from the MN DNR of the Dog vs BG trap catches...they are available to the public.

Do you need the link to the MN DNR trapper survey too? Where it shows the percentage of guys that use legholds?

I'm assuming you followed my earlier link of the grouse dog that died in a 330 last fall....set 50' off of a trail listed on the MN DNRs website under Hunter walking trails?

 

[BRITTMAN]

Here are a couple of reports from last year.

Trapping season opened October 25th and the first dog of the 2014 - 2015 season was killed November 1st.

His name was Bronco and he was a 95 lb yellow pointing lab. Bronco was 7 years old and his owner said he was at the top of his game when he was killed. He was killed while grouse hunting in the Schoolcraft Game Refuge. The trap that killed Bronco was a 330 body grip set ? submerged in a river right next to the main trail. In MN 330 body grip traps currently do not have to be completely submerged like many other states. The law needs to change and require them to be completely submerged.

Sadly Bronco wasn't the only dog to die so far this season. Another dog was killed near Foley. It belonged to an elderly farmer and was his constant companion and livestock mover. It was killed in the road ditch right next to the farmer's property. It was likely an unbaited body grip trail set that killed his dog. Trail sets kill most of the dogs in MN simply because unbaited trail sets outnumber baited body grip box sets. Both are deadly to any dog that finds them.

The new bill would require trappers report all incidents with domestic animals.

A good share of the domestic animals killed belong to families, hikers, and people just out for a late fall walk.