28 guage

A "guide" at a kick and shoot venue helped me... He said a tighter choke and shoot at the white ring around their necks. Then he said make sure I've let go of the bird before you shoot. (Probably the reason he said a tighter choke tube?!? 🤣)
I've shot and fatally injured plenty of wild rooster's when hunting areas that normally contain more quail than pheasants with Prairie Storm #6's, but as you said, they better not be being 40 yards or your wasting expensive shells and birds.
The kind of hunting I do is real wild,in wild places.I get lots of birds,but I haven't figured out the 28.Now the 20,I have figured out for 40 years.The 16 is new to me in the last 5 years.
 
I live this beautiful gun, but it lacks power.
I don't understand why everyone seems to think that a 28 is too small of a gauge to take wild pheasants? They don't lack power; they pack the same amount of power as a 12/16/20 gauge! A bird doesn't know the difference between shot coming out of a 12 or 28 traveling at 1350 fps. People just can't seem to grasp that concept. The big difference is in pellet count, yes in a 28-gauge shell you have a lot less pellets probably half. You need to be a little more selective with your shots when shooting smaller gauge guns due to that reason. I shoot my A400's all season till the closing bell in SD and IA in January and have absolutely no issues taking birds and loose maybe 1 or 2 a season. I know my effective range is 35-40 yards and stay within that. Not to say I haven't taken a bird at 40+ with it but it's rare I take that shot. Now I do spend a little more on shells because I don't like to shoot the cheap stuff, and I only shoot non-toxic. I and the other guys I hunt with that shoot 28's all shoot Boss Ammo and we shoot #5's all season with great success!!
 
Use this load. I think you’ll find great success. An oz of shot at 1250 is an oz of shot at 1250 regardless if it is spit out of a 20ga bore or a 28ga bore. Many 20ga loads will be sending that same oz of pellets the Winchester 28ga load does at the same speeds.

That's what I shot when they were affordable! But my humble opinion is with a 28 or 2 3/4 20 does not have enough shot for WILD pheasant unless you only take birds that flush at your feet. Years ago, I bought a 1100 special field 20. Practiced all summer and shot it well. Took it to Iowa and made a fool of myself. Knocked a lot down didn't bring very many home. I used my ugy 28 mod and full for years for wild quail and grouse. Shot many, many cases of above shells through it. It served me well, but I can say with confidence that it was barely big enough for them. The 16 is a wonderful gun, it will clobber a Phez within it's range with the heaviest loads but will not drop them with the authority as a 12. Wild phez are a 12-gauge bird!
 
I don't understand why everyone seems to think that a 28 is too small of a gauge to take wild pheasants? They don't lack power; they pack the same amount of power as a 12/16/20 gauge! A bird doesn't know the difference between shot coming out of a 12 or 28 traveling at 1350 fps. People just can't seem to grasp that concept. The big difference is in pellet count, yes in a 28-gauge shell you have a lot less pellets probably half. You need to be a little more selective with your shots when shooting smaller gauge guns due to that reason. I shoot my A400's all season till the closing bell in SD and IA in January and have absolutely no issues taking birds and loose maybe 1 or 2 a season. I know my effective range is 35-40 yards and stay within that. Not to say I haven't taken a bird at 40+ with it but it's rare I take that shot. Now I do spend a little more on shells because I don't like to shoot the cheap stuff, and I only shoot non-toxic. I and the other guys I hunt with that shoot 28's all shoot Boss Ammo and we shoot #5's all season with great success!!
Maybe with boss, but not with normal lead.
 
Maybe with boss, but not with normal lead.
Lead is still heavier that bismuth. Choke also plays a big role in it, I shoot IC till about mid Nov maybe 1st of December and then switch to a MOD for the rest of the season. If your shooting is good and your on the bird a 28 is plenty of gun doesn't matter if your shooting lead or bismuth.
 
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The power is the same yes but when Goose says he loses a lot of birds with a 28 but claims he doesn't with a 20 and up, my guess (sorry Goose) is that he isn't a proficient enough shot to use the 28 considering there is quite a few less shot. I'm probably not either.

Main point I'm making is use a gauge that puts the birds in your bag and not left dead out in the field for the coyotes. We all lose a bird or 2, but when he's saying he loses a lot, I'd maybe avoid the 28.
 
Winchester has come out with an 1 1/8 oz of copper plated lead in their Super Pheasant line. Super spendy, but you gotta love the 1 1/8 # 5 combo with copper plated shot. Also, Fiocchi has an 1 1/16 load you can get in 5’s or 6 shot. Brought some cardboard home from work yesterday and will pattern them this weekend.
 
Goose, are you sure you're shooting lead 4s? I couldn't even find any online in 28 gauge? Let's assume you know what you're talking about (not a giant leap at all), & you are, in fact, shooting lead 4s. I'd guess they're at most 1 oz loads, possibly as light as 3/4 oz. That'd mean you've got at most 136 pellets, possibly as few as 102. That's not enough (& borders on just playing grabass with the pheasants), unless your pattern's pretty tight & you're, as you say, a maestro with a shotgun. I've spent quite a few years experimenting with light-ish loads & various shot sizes & materials. And I'm not a terrible shot. My conclusion is that I want a bare minimum of 150 pellets in the air, & if that's all I have, I use full choke. I know how you hate spending more than $12/box for shells, but do yourself a favor (& your dogs & your sweet little 28 gauge) & spend the money on some shells that are at least 1 oz, possibly even slightly heavier, even if they turn out to be 3" (assuming your gun handles 3"). And shoot 5s. 1 oz of 5s would be 173 pellets. That'll take you easily to 50 yds. If you feel you can limit most of your shots to 40 yds, then shoot 6s @ 224 pellets/oz. I think you, River, & Mr. Jones will be much happier with that tiny little 28 gauge & will start feeling like it's worth more than a pile of mud dumped out in some unsuspecting farmer's shelterbelt. Food for thought.
 
Goose, are you sure you're shooting lead 4s? I couldn't even find any online in 28 gauge? Let's assume you know what you're talking about (not a giant leap at all), & you are, in fact, shooting lead 4s. I'd guess they're at most 1 oz loads, possibly as light as 3/4 oz. That'd mean you've got at most 136 pellets, possibly as few as 102. That's not enough (& borders on just playing grabass with the pheasants), unless your pattern's pretty tight & you're, as you say, a maestro with a shotgun. I've spent quite a few years experimenting with light-ish loads & various shot sizes & materials. And I'm not a terrible shot. My conclusion is that I want a bare minimum of 150 pellets in the air, & if that's all I have, I use full choke. I know how you hate spending more than $12/box for shells, but do yourself a favor (& your dogs & your sweet little 28 gauge) & spend the money on some shells that are at least 1 oz, possibly even slightly heavier, even if they turn out to be 3" (assuming your gun handles 3"). And shoot 5s. 1 oz of 5s would be 173 pellets. That'll take you easily to 50 yds. If you feel you can limit most of your shots to 40 yds, then shoot 6s @ 224 pellets/oz. I think you, River, & Mr. Jones will be much happier with that tiny little 28 gauge & will start feeling like it's worth more than a pile of mud dumped out in some unsuspecting farmer's shelterbelt. Food for thought.
Haha Dumping mud is always held in high regard in Montana!U have been shooting lead,1 oz. 5 shot.The shells are around 20 dollars per box.The thing is, I'm so used to the 16 guage now,if I take that shot with the 28,I loose the bird.I hate loosing wounded birds,but it happens to everyone in thick cover.Im 63, and I like a lite gun these days.I may take the 870 12 with the sling on it,it's my turkey gun.
 
I agree with all these opinions, except the ones that I suck lol. Thanks for the input everyone. I will post my results when I use that.
 
$20 a box shells are kind of "cheap" these days unfortunately. At 12 bucks a box, that has to be trap loads. The cheapest trap loads for my 12, 16 and 20 gauge I can find are about 8.99 on sale. Normally around 11 or 12 bucks. I'd never use a trap load on a pheasant. A ruffed grouse maybe.
 
Physics is always physics.

A 1oz load of #5s @ 1205fps has the exact same muzzle energy in any gauge you choose to use. A single #5 pellet coming out of the muzzle at 1205fps hits the bird with the exact same energy in any gauge you choose to use.

Put enough #5 pellets that left the muzzle at 1205fps into the right place on a pheasant and it will come down in any gauge you choose to use.

Really, the only variables are choke/pattern density and how your particular gun patterns your particular load.

I used the Winchester Super X 28ga 1oz loads in my Benelli Ethos with a Mod choke last year. Worked great for me; will be using it again this year. I like carrying a 5.5lb gun vs a 7.5lb gun.

YMMV.
 
$20 a box shells are kind of "cheap" these days unfortunately. At 12 bucks a box, that has to be trap loads. The cheapest trap loads for my 12, 16 and 20 gauge I can find are about 8.99 on sale. Normally around 11 or 12 bucks. I'd never use a trap load on a pheasant. A ruffed grouse maybe.
I shoot high brass 1 1/4 oz. Magnums.Thats plenty of firepower. I never shoot trap loads or light loads. I suppose I might go out on the river today on the Canadian.
 
Physics is always physics.

A 1oz load of #5s @ 1205fps has the exact same muzzle energy in any gauge you choose to use. A single #5 pellet coming out of the muzzle at 1205fps hits the bird with the exact same energy in any gauge you choose to use.

Put enough #5 pellets that left the muzzle at 1205fps into the right place on a pheasant and it will come down in any gauge you choose to use.

Really, the only variables are choke/pattern density and how your particular gun patterns your particular load.

I used the Winchester Super X 28ga 1oz loads in my Benelli Ethos with a Mod choke last year. Worked great for me; will be using it again this year. I like carrying a 5.5lb gun vs a 7.5lb gun.

YMMV.
Yeah this little beretta is a beautiful gun,worthy of nobility in European shoots.
 
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