Do you take a poke at the long range birds ?

Distance is an interesting concept…as a teen, I shot my bow a lot…10, 20, 30, 40….i think I’m still decent at judging range (in reality I may not be), but I think the size of the bird tends to tell me if it’s in range, especially past 30 yards…when my dog is rooting around, I’m focused on her distance from me…birds don’t always flush where you think they’re gonna, but lots of times they do, especially in cover with fairly obvious edges, boundaries, etc…i suspect like anything, experience helps a lot…
 
Distance is an interesting concept…as a teen, I shot my bow a lot…10, 20, 30, 40….i think I’m still decent at judging range (in reality I may not be), but I think the size of the bird tends to tell me if it’s in range, especially past 30 yards…when my dog is rooting around, I’m focused on her distance from me…birds don’t always flush where you think they’re gonna, but lots of times they do, especially in cover with fairly obvious edges, boundaries, etc…i suspect like anything, experience helps a lot…
I actually missed a turkey last spring with my bow, because I didn't have it on the right pin. I don't have a rangefinder.
 
Distance is an interesting concept…as a teen, I shot my bow a lot…10, 20, 30, 40….i think I’m still decent at judging range (in reality I may not be), but I think the size of the bird tends to tell me if it’s in range, especially past 30 yards…when my dog is rooting around, I’m focused on her distance from me…birds don’t always flush where you think they’re gonna, but lots of times they do, especially in cover with fairly obvious edges, boundaries, etc…i suspect like anything, experience helps a lot…
I shoot my bow and shotgun in a similar fashion, just point and shoot. I shoot traditional archery so no sight or anything. I don't use the bead on my gun really, at least I don't notice that I do. Just instinctive shooting my bow however I do use the arrow, so probably just using the barrel.
 
If that creating habitat and seeing the results "doesn't make you any more aware of it or have some special feelings that mean anything to anyone but me", I don't even know how to respond to that.

I wasn't 400 miles from many Kansas hunters. Maybe a mini one in Wichita? I think you are asking for more than they can do for you. They won't put one in my hometown either, but I understand that.
Then don’t respond. Just because I have some land now and work at it, doesn’t make me superior to anyone else. You act as if we should all pay homage to you for it. I see it as a privilege and responsibility to do it. It makes me happy and I do like it, but I don’t expect to get any kind of praise for it and don’t want any. Part of what I do is for me and me alone. Part is for the respect of the game. Without birds, I don’t get to watch dogs work.

I have been a hunter all my life. I’ve always had a healthy respect for the sport. Just because I wasn’t a landowner for most of that time doesn’t mean I didn’t care about the sport, habitat, etc…. I appreciated the landowners that did manage their land for it and I always thanked them appropriately for the privilege. I wasn’t less aware because it wasn’t my land.
 
I just pulled my ruger red label 28 from the safe…it’s got M/M tubes at the moment.,,it’s coming with Tuesday! Need to shoot it more…
I have one of these but haven’t shot it yet. I had one years ago that I did shoot and wish I never sold it. The one I have now is a golden quail model (1 of 250). Its used, so I probably shouldn’t be so resistant to using it. I keep my eyes open for another one that I can hunt with without any issue.
 
When we enrolled our SD land into CRP, then WRP a few years later, the $ had much to do with it. I think our CRP payment in 2003’sh was $40-45/acre…not life changing, but I was 33 when we bought it…we borrowed the $ for 80% of the purchase…every $ of income helped. WRP was a game changer, the one-time payment was 2x what we gave for the land 5 years earlier. We own it and can sell it, and of course, pay taxes on it. Land can never be farmed, developed, etc…I like that, it’s one thing I know for sure I’ve done while here on earth…buddy of mine hunted it yesterday with his 28 year old son…he went on and on about the robins in the cedar trees! I thought that was cool. He said hundreds. But again, I don’t think our conservation inclination would have occurred without the compensation…and cost-sharing from the county, etc.
 
I bet you could survey 500 pheasant hunters that live in western Kansas, and not a one of them ever heard of the Pheasant Fest in KC. I have been a member for 30 years and didn't know about it. That is what I am talking about. They need to figure out a way to target people living in western Kansas. Maybe it is sending information in the mail, maybe it is social media, but like I said, PF is a non-factor out here.
You are a member and YOU didn't know about it???? No talk about it at the local banquet? Come on. If you have opened up a PF journal you could not have missed it. Out of 500 pheasant hunters, not one would have know about it, that means to me, none of those 500 were PF members...you just can't miss it if you open the magazine. Heck there is always a thread or 2 here about who is going to the event. I see it on social media constantly prior to the events. Maybe they can send a singing telegram to your home, so you will know about the next one. Come on.
 
If that creating habitat and seeing the results "doesn't make you any more aware of it or have some special feelings that mean anything to anyone but me", I don't even know how to respond to that.

I wasn't 400 miles from many Kansas hunters. Maybe a mini one in Wichita? I think you are asking for more than they can do for you. They won't put one in my hometown either, but I understand that.
Wichita wouldn’t couldn’t handle it. OKc maybe but it would flop ,, to many duck and deerturds.
 
When we enrolled our SD land into CRP, then WRP a few years later, the $ had much to do with it. I think our CRP payment in 2003’sh was $40-45/acre…not life changing, but I was 33 when we bought it…we borrowed the $ for 80% of the purchase…every $ of income helped. WRP was a game changer, the one-time payment was 2x what we gave for the land 5 years earlier. We own it and can sell it, and of course, pay taxes on it. Land can never be farmed, developed, etc…I like that, it’s one thing I know for sure I’ve done while here on earth…buddy of mine hunted it yesterday with his 28 year old son…he went on and on about the robins in the cedar trees! I thought that was cool. He said hundreds. But again, I don’t think our conservation inclination would have occurred without the compensation…and cost-sharing from the county, etc.
Those robins should have been leaving a bit earlier, if you are getting the weather we are here.

Those conservation easements are a great way to know that land is protected....permanently.
 
You are a member and YOU didn't know about it???? No talk about it at the local banquet? Come on. If you have opened up a PF journal you could not have missed it. Out of 500 pheasant hunters, not one would have know about it, that means to me, none of those 500 were PF members...you just can't miss it if you open the magazine. Heck there is always a thread or 2 here about who is going to the event. I see it on social media constantly prior to the events. Maybe they can send a singing telegram to your home, so you will know about the next one. Come on.
Do me a favor and put me on your ignore list please! I am from Kansas and negative on PF. There is something wrong with you. How would non- members hear of a pheasant fest at a banquet? You're the one that said KS has a low number of PF members. Of those 500, they don't need to target members, they need to target non-members. Why target members? Oh wait, so they can drive 400 miles to a Pheasant Fest. If you read, I said 500 pheasant hunters, didn't say anything about members of PF. As far as banquets go, they are always NR PF members that are getting paid that attend them here. At least at the last one I attended 17 years ago.
 
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When we enrolled our SD land into CRP, then WRP a few years later, the $ had much to do with it. I think our CRP payment in 2003’sh was $40-45/acre…not life changing, but I was 33 when we bought it…we borrowed the $ for 80% of the purchase…every $ of income helped. WRP was a game changer, the one-time payment was 2x what we gave for the land 5 years earlier. We own it and can sell it, and of course, pay taxes on it. Land can never be farmed, developed, etc…I like that, it’s one thing I know for sure I’ve done while here on earth…buddy of mine hunted it yesterday with his 28 year old son…he went on and on about the robins in the cedar trees! I thought that was cool. He said hundreds. But again, I don’t think our conservation inclination would have occurred without the compensation…and cost-sharing from the county, etc.

I’m going to work with the farmer that leases the land to see if we can plant some sunflowers on some edges to see if we can boost the dove population. Just want to make sure it won’t have any deleterious effects on the soybeans or rice.
 
I try hard not to take those long stretchy shots for a variety of reasons I guess. I figure it's makes them that much spookier for me the next time or the next guy if they are clean misses. But in the event a couple pellets land but don't stone them I assume they go off and die anyhow. A chicken that gets injured or sick rarely survives and I assume a wounded pheasant is the same. I hunt with a good friend that's never seen a shot too far and I don't say anything but often shake my head. I've given him a hard time in the past and he always just says "it only takes one". We've recovered some extraordinary long shots of his over the years and some knocked dead but I'm certain he's sent some crippled flying over the horizon as well
 
Those robins should have been leaving a bit earlier, if you are getting the weather we are here.

Those conservation easements are a great way to know that land is protected....permanently.
Yeah, it snowed there about 1-2” yesterday, and was a bit windy…maybe 25 degrees? He was emphatic about the robins, a bit of pheasant commentary. Today is day 4, they have 1 rooster between the 2 of them thus far…one dog, he’s decent. This is how the trips usually go. They did go to Cabela’s to get more shells.
 
Do me a favor and put me on your ignore list please! I am from Kansas and negative on PF. There is something wrong with you. How would non- members hear of a pheasant fest at a banquet? You're the one that said KS has a low number of PF members. Of those 500, they don't need to target members, they need to target non-members. Why target members? Oh wait, so they can drive 400 miles to a Pheasant Fest. If you read, I said 500 pheasant hunters, didn't say anything about members of PF. As far as banquets go, they are always NR PF members that are getting paid that attend them here. At least at the last one I attended 17 years ago.
OK, you are will be on it. I must be mistaken, but I thought you you said "I bet you could survey 500 pheasant hunters that live in western Kansas, and not a one of them ever heard of the Pheasant Fest in KC.", In my crazy mind, would assume that in 500 Pheasant Hunters (even the ones in western Kansas) there would be a bunch that are members of PF and they get the journal and couldn't help but see the ads and read about it. Once again the PE teacher must have out smarted me. I would take your bet in a second.
 
OK, you are will be on it. I must be mistaken, but I thought you you said "I bet you could survey 500 pheasant hunters that live in western Kansas, and not a one of them ever heard of the Pheasant Fest in KC.", In my crazy mind, would assume that in 500 Pheasant Hunters (even the ones in western Kansas) there would be a bunch that are members of PF and they get the journal and couldn't help but see the ads and read about it. Once again the PE teacher must have out smarted me. I would take your bet in a second.
Thanks for ignoring me. What you should do is try to encourage more membership in Kansas not insult the PF members. You discourage membership in Kansas on this forum.
 
Been hunting pheasants (trained dogs, road trips just for pheasants, specific gun purchases, etc. ) seriously for about 35 years. Started when I was about 30, so that makes me 65, with probably 1,000-1.500 birds or so to date. I have seen my share of cripples for sure. Luckily good dog work reduces it, but there are always a few that "wobble but don't fall down" every year. I have slowly realized that several variables make a big difference in my numbers of cripples.
1) Early season vs late season--those early birds are young and dumb and flush a lot closer than late season birds. Early birds also tend to be less feathered and smaller.
2) My good hunting partner and I were just commenting during our last trip that we wish we had a switch that we could flip that would prevent us from shooting at birds going directly away from us past 35-40 yards. We have found that those are the majority of birds that get wounded. Just amazing how much shot a heavily-feathered bird can soak up from the back end. Sometimes a leg drops which makes it easier for the dog to pick up, if it lands within sight and you can get to it. But inevitably a few of these will go over the hill and out of sight or into a cover that is not accessible. Birds that are flying broadside to you are a lot more vulnerable and it increases the likelihood that you will get pellets into the head or other kill areas. Even a bird that is flying at a slight angle to you is more killable than those going straight away.
3) I have also noted that I usually have a few more cripples when I shoot my 20 ga as opposed to my 12 ga. I personally would not shoot anything smaller than a 20 ga on pheasants just for that reason. If it is windy, or late season and birds are flushing further out, I almost always switch to my 12 ga to get that extra speed and 25% more payload. I know some folks will argue that the 28ga and .410 are perfectly fine for pheasants, and they probably are, in the hands of really competent hunters. Really competent hunters don't take marginal shots with small guage guns-- I am not one of those people, and I don't think there are that many of these type of hunters out there. I'm a person that likes to pull the trigger and I sometimes take shots that I later regret--do you ever wonder how many birds you hit that don't show any signs of being hit but you still felt you were dead-on with the shot?? I think the number of wounded birds is higher than we realize. Every year I kill a few birds that have old wounds or gangerene and pus from more recent shots. Wounding loss is a real thing and it is probably higher than we realize.
4) Shot speed and type seems to make a big difference in my shooting. Many years ago my friends and I noticed that we killed more birds when using better shells like Fast Lead, Fiocchi Golden Pheasants, or Prairie Storm loads. 1300 fps size 5 shot is a good minimum for me. I think it helps a little bit when I don't have the proper lead on crossing birds. And we also noticed we had more cripples with steel than we did with lead. For that reason we try to limit the range on our shots when we are hunting in areas that require non toxic. I know some will say we should switch to tungsten or bismuth, but I do a lot of shooting in a season and that extra cost adds up. Not a bad recommendation, but I will keep using lead (as long as its legal) and steel when required by regulation.
5) Hunting with a competent dog makes a huge difference. It's possible to hunt pheasants without a dog, and I know several people that do, but wounding loss is much higher with these folks than someone that has a competent dog. I once dropped a bird into a cut soybean field (if you don't know what this looks like imagine a billard table with a little bit of vegetation scattered on it. The bird popped up and began running toward the field edge. My dog didn't see it go down so I ran her over to the edge of the field where I saw the bird headed to once it hit the ground. I worked the field edge back and forth several times with no luck, not even a hint of scent. Finally I took the dog out into the field to see if she could pick up the scent. She fixated on a small depression that looked like nothing and began rummaging her nose into it, finally pulling that bird out of a small hole that didn't seem like it could hold a quail, let alone a pheasant. Without a dog it would have been a goner. Another time my dog chased one into a badger hole and started digging it out. She finally wiggled into the hole all the way to where she dissapeared with only the last 1/4 of here tail sticking out. I could tell she had the bird but couldn't back out of the hole so I dragged her out by her tail, with the bird in her mouth!! And yes, I was worried about a badger or rattlesnakes in the hole! I have hundreds of stories like that as do many others. Just amazes me what a pheasant can hide in! Sometimes they can even be stone cold dead when they hit the ground and still dificult to find, even with a good dog. A dog makes an enormous difference!
6) I'm 65 and not gonna lie, I have lost a little bit when it comes to hand-eye coordination and speed. I am a second or two slower than I was in my 30's. 40's and even 50's when it comes to spotting the bird, getting the gun up, tracking the bird, and taking the shot. I am also a little slower at locating the dog and other hunters to make sure I am safe with my shot. All of this means the bird gets an extra few yards on me before I am shooting. I still feel like I am a good hunter and I certainly kill my share of birds every year, but I am no longer as fast as I was and it makes a difference in my shooting.
7) Finally, getting a gun you are comfortable shooting and that fits you like a glove, to me, is critical. I am one of those people that only shoots 1-2 guns. I have found that the Benelli M2's and SBE's fit me like nothing else, so that is all I shoot for everything-pheasants, quail, grouse, woodcock, ducks, etc.) I recognize the advantages of the Dbl Barrels (instant safe, simpler design, traditional look, nostalgia), but all I shoot are 2-3 Benelli guns. I have other guns in my safe, but they have sat there for decades without being fired. I am a person that sticks with what works for me and I don't venture away from that. I have tried other guns but none of them fit me like the Benelli autoloaders.

There are some other, more minor, things that can affect wounding loss (amount of clothing worn, hunting conditions (wind especially), but those are the big ones for me, and several of them can be mitigated with good discipline and training time, e.g., time spent at the trap or skeet range prior to the season.
 
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