28 gauge

It's not "more is better" for me. It would be easy to shoot a bigger shell than needed. I've never heard anyone knowledgeable suggest using a 3.5" shell for pheasants, and really 3.5" shells seem to be losing popularity across the board. I was just genuinely curious why people choose to hunt with a 28. Thanks for all the replies. I will say comparing a whippy 20 you don't shoot well with a 28 that has better balance doesn't really change the debate. Larger gauge will never make up for poor fit and/or balance.

If you can shoot an ounce of lead it seems the 28 is a good gun. If you're forced to use larger pellets (non-lead) then subgauge really suffers. Layup shots are never in question. You could grass a bird with a half-ounce of #9s at close range. If you tickle one at 35 yards and your next shot is 45 yards, what's best then?
 
It's not "more is better" for me. It would be easy to shoot a bigger shell than needed. I've never heard anyone knowledgeable suggest using a 3.5" shell for pheasants, and really 3.5" shells seem to be losing popularity across the board. I was just genuinely curious why people choose to hunt with a 28. Thanks for all the replies. I will say comparing a whippy 20 you don't shoot well with a 28 that has better balance doesn't really change the debate. Larger gauge will never make up for poor fit and/or balance.

If you can shoot an ounce of lead it seems the 28 is a good gun. If you're forced to use larger pellets (non-lead) then subgauge really suffers. Layup shots are never in question. You could grass a bird with a half-ounce of #9s at close range. If you tickle one at 35 yards and your next shot is 45 yards, what's best then?
I’ll let u know…😬
 
I’m far from genius level, obviously, but isn’t an ounce of 5’s an ounce of 5’s? 28 or 20, those are the loads I use, with success. Heading to SD now, gonna use a 28 much of this hunt…I’ll report back…suspect MattD’s report and mine will be similar…
I don't know about all that math. I just think that a 28 is a light gun
 
I don't know about all that math. I just think that a 28 is a light gun
There was a time I probably thought that as well…regardless, stick with what you think works better, confidence is important in the field, IMO…my original point is that the same amount of shot, traveling at the same velocity, seems pretty similar…and my patterning has borne that out as well, as have my results in the field..,but I’m just one guy, with a limited sample of experiences…your arguments don’t sway me, nor do mine sway you…maybe some day that will change, Goosehopper…😎
 
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There was a time I probably thought that as well…regardless, stick with what you think works better, confidence is important in the field, IMO…my original point is that the same amount of shot, traveling at the same velocity, seems pretty similar…and my patterning has borne that out as well, as have my results in the field..,but I’m just one guy, with a limited sample of experiences…your arguments don’t sway me, nor do mine sway you…maybe some day that will change, Goosehopper…😎
I don't do any patterning, and I don't know anything about all that. All those numbers and all that.
 
Again, I think my uggy 28 with an oz. of shot will shoot with any 20 with the same oz. I also think an oz. of shot is not enough to consistently kill WILD pheasants unless you pick your shots. I'll go a little farther and say, a 1 1/8 oz out of a 16 gauge at 40 yards, you better have a good dog.
 
Again, I think my uggy 28 with an oz. of shot will shoot with any 20 with the same oz. I also think an oz. of shot is not enough to consistently kill WILD pheasants unless you pick your shots. I'll go a little farther and say, a 1 1/8 oz out of a 16 gauge at 40 yards, you better have a good dog.
In my own case, I’m changing some of the variables, like choke…the 28 I’m using is markedly tighter with my ounce of #5 lead vs the 12 gauge I usually use with 1.25 oz of #5 lead, which is IC…probably won’t hit as many with the 28, but I expect more pellets on the the target of the birds I do hit…we’ll see…I’m gonna shoot the 28 today…i’ll report back later…
 
These discussions are interesting, but they omit one very important variable—are we good shots? I have a cousin I hunt with who shoots with his wife, year round…it’s their “thing”. She grew up at the Minneapolis gun club, her dad managed it after retiring. She ran 100 straight at trap at age 12 with a .410…she’s in the Minnesota trapshooters hall of fame. My cousin is an excellent shooter, and it shows when we’re hunting. He shoots a 20 gauge much of the time, and rarely loses a bird…he’s always had very good dogs, too. I’m nowhere near his competence, never will be…I do shoot late summer/early fall several times…300 targets, give or take? I tend to use a few guns, but mostly this Parker Repro 28 gauge…I really love the gun, and I shoot it pretty well. I’m not in love with shooting clays for some reason, I’ll never be like my cousin who probably shoots 5000 targets a year, some years a lot more. I do enjoy the course that I can go shoot solo, and screw around a bit with where I’m shooting from, creating quasi-hunting scenarios using the delay function in the electronic doohickey that sends the signal to throw the bird. Overall, I would say out of my 12 or so shotguns I’ve learned that 3 or so I really shoot well…my benelli ultralight 12, an Uggie S x S 16 gauge box lock, an AYA 20 gauge S x S box lock, and this Parker Repro S x S 28 gauge. Most of my others I shoot pretty good, and one, a Fox Sterlingworth 16 gauge S x S I shoot poorly, way too much drop. I do shoot my Beretta AL 391 20 gauge auto well, but the forward safety costs me birds every year, so I don’t shoot it too much…but I’ve killed lots of pheasants with an ounce of #5 lead using IC choke with that gun, many, many past 40 yards. I’m coming full circle with a few other threads I’ve started here recently…how’s your hearing? how’s your shooting? What kind of ammo, choke, etc? In the past I’ve talked about personally shooting better early in the day, or early in a walk, which speaks to conditioning…I walk a lot from April until the end of pheasant season, and I think that helps…a lot of the guys that I hunt with don’t, for whatever reason…physical issues, usually. I feel super lucky to be almost 60 and have no pain, anywhere…and I don’t get cold fingers, ears, toes, etc…putting the whole package together is more relevant, I think, than having one super specific discussion/argument about what gauge you may be shooting…can you walk and walk and be truly ready when the bird flushes? Can you hear well? See well? Read your dog well? Get the gun up rapidly and fluidly, regardless of it being 60 above or 10 above? Are you wearing gloves? Are your ears covered with a heavy cap for warmth? Are your glasses fogged up? Can you operate everything properly with said gloves? Are you a reasonably good shot on birds? I’m not great at all this, for sure, but I hear well, I can walk and walk and walk in heavy cover, I don’t get cold and rarely wear a glove on my shooting hand, I can read my dogs well and keep them in range most of the time, and I guess I’ve learned to shoot to where the bird is going, vs shooting at it where it is…and I can hear well, which I’ve already mentioned, but can’t over emphasize how important I feel that is. Putting this all into the mix, I don’t feel undergunned shooting an ounce of #5’s, especially in a M/F double gun…I may change my mind, but I’ve been shooting that load for 25 years in 20 gauges with good results, and I have enough direct personal data, as well as lots of anecdotal data from hunters I know well, that I don’t give it a 2nd thought. Having said all that, I haven’t carried my 28 yet this year pheasant hunting…I guess I wanted a 3rd shot…I’ve shot 2 birds in a few seconds several times this season, I now am hunting in a group, and don’t feel the need for 3 shots, so I’m gonna carry a double mostly…I think. Good luck if you’re getting out today, or soon!!!
 
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BB brings up some great points. I have been blessed to shoot a decent amount of clays and quail with three different master class sporting clays competitors. Have learned a lot from them and the time spent shooting. I will NEVER be to their level on a sporting clays course. Doesn’t matter how many rounds I shoot or how much practice I was to put in. Their approach is three levels above mine in that game. Now hunting quail is a different story. I believe all three would agree I hang with them bird for bird while hunting. My point is everyone has different levels of competence in every thing we do. What wouldn’t work for some works great for others and vice versa. Think just making blanket statements that 1 oz of lead is not enough is flat out wrong. Just like if I was to say no one ever needs more than 1 oz of shot would be wrong. If I go back late season I won’t be using the 28 gauge. Two main reason. I expect the birds to be bunched up and realistically shots may be a touch longer and I have a ton of 12 gauge ammo so may as well shoot some of that up.
 
My dogs, 1 in particular, are my biggest liability…room for improvement for sure! Heavy cover bails me out…

I get your point, when considering the hearing, warm fingers, endurance, shooting ability, etc. All the things than can go right for a guy. It just sounds funny to hear somebody who I'm SURE considers his dogs his biggest asset, call them the opposite.

Anyhow, final thoughts (oh sure, right?). I don't care what gauge a shotgun is. As long as a load has at least 150 pellets (little tighter choke please) of appropriate size & material, that's enough for ALMOST ALL my pheasant shooting.

Since we're talking a lot about 28's here, we'll leave steel out of this.
For me to be fine most of the time:
11/16 oz lead #6 or 3/4 oz bismuth #5
To know I'm good ALL the time:
7/8 oz lead #5 or 1 oz bismuth #4
Velocity anywhere above 1100 is ok, although I prefer more like 1250 for a few yards cushion.

Shoot what works for you & have fun!
 
Lots of great info here and I do take in everyone's perspective. A # of hunters posted good results with 28's. Others like Goose have questioned it. Enigma he may be, but we know Goose has hunted many years, lots of waterfowl, turkeys, pheasants, and maybe even a grouse. He lost something like 15 cripples when he shot the little gun last year.

Some of the basics on shotgun performance
With fine shot smaller bores perform better than course(large) shot.

Long shot columns tend towards poorer pattern performance than shorter ones. In longer columns more shot is subject to barrel scrubbing and deformation. Modern shot cups may mitigate this some but still a factor. (A long shot string is not a good thing)

Talking an ounce of lead and 28s 20s and 12s, the larger bore will always throw a better pattern when all factors are controlled for choke, barrel length, velocity etc. Perhaps the differences in pattern efficiency are not enough to make a difference in bird hunting.

I didn't mention fit and balance here because those are different issues. Also shot selection is always important regardless of gauge.

Shooter ability obviously comes into play and is up to each hunter to personally assess. Watch this guy hunting in Nebraska, he's good enough to carry a 28 and not be handicapped. Start at the 8 minute mark.

 
Lots of great info here and I do take in everyone's perspective. A # of hunters posted good results with 28's. Others like Goose have questioned it. Enigma he may be, but we know Goose has hunted many years, lots of waterfowl, turkeys, pheasants, and maybe even a grouse. He lost something like 15 cripples when he shot the little gun last year.

Some of the basics on shotgun performance
With fine shot smaller bores perform better than course(large) shot.

Long shot columns tend towards poorer pattern performance than shorter ones. In longer columns more shot is subject to barrel scrubbing and deformation. Modern shot cups may mitigate this some but still a factor. (A long shot string is not a good thing)

Talking an ounce of lead and 28s 20s and 12s, the larger bore will always throw a better pattern when all factors are controlled for choke, barrel length, velocity etc. Perhaps the differences in pattern efficiency are not enough to make a difference in bird hunting.

I didn't mention fit and balance here because those are different issues. Also shot selection is always important regardless of gauge.

Shooter ability obviously comes into play and is up to each hunter to personally assess. Watch this guy hunting in Nebraska, he's good enough to carry a 28 and not be handicapped. Start at the 8 minute mark.

As far as fit and balance goes, I don't think you can beat these little Beretta over and under's.
 
Enigma he may be, but we know Goose has hunted many years, lots of waterfowl, turkeys, pheasants, and maybe even a grouse. He lost something like 15 cripples when he shot the little gun last year.
I may be mistaken but I don’t think his 15 lost birds were all with the little gun. Goose - clarify please?
 
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