Don't be that guy

Altillathedak said:
Don't be a slob. Went to hunt some land a friend owns. Found it newly posted with signs reading ... "No Hunting, don't waste your time asking". Contacted them to see what had happened. Apparently, four vehicles of hunters from Kansas (every place has their idjits) hunted the land, shot a dozen or so roosters and cleaned them at the end of a tree row. Left everything...heads, guts, legs, torso...except the breasts. Quite the mess. No one, not me not his family...no one...will hunt this land now. One justifiably pissed off landowner. Don't be that guy.:mad::mad::mad::mad:
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I agree with Altillathedak. We personally dispose of the carcasses of our cleaned birds by putting them in a field (rockpile) away from the house. But I find it poor etiquette and would never clean birds and leave the carcasses in a field of a farmer that let us hunt. I know it would Piss me off as a land owner if I saw it done on my land (even though I do it on my land).
 
It honestly never occurred to me to clean birds and leave the carcasses in the field. Momma said, 'You make the mess, you clean the mess,' so I pick up after myself. Cooler, baggies, trash bags.
 
Kind of a funny catch 22. It's illegal to put dead animals, or parts thereof in my local city garbage.
 
ranchodeluxe said:
Kind of a funny catch 22. It's illegal to put dead animals, or parts thereof in my local city garbage.
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Damned if you do damned if you don't. With this one I think the intent of the law should be looked into. It may be directed towards slaughter house type disposal not hunting:confused::confused::confused:

I suppose we could dig a hole in our neighbors yard and pile it all in there. At the end of the season just refill it with the top soil. Yes?

Okay. I don't mean to continue adding to my post, but what are we supposed to do with the animal/bird parts of the food we by at the grocery store? Removal of the skin of a chicken? Removing the meat from the bones then tossing such in the trash. What would be the difference in the eyes of the law here?
 
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My local solid waste operation hand sorts recyclables from waste on a conveyor. I think they use inmates for that nasty task. I think I would rather sit in jail all day.
I still throw the small scraps you mentioned in there. Leave that stuff around my place and something, usually dogs, find a way to make a mess of it.
 
ranchodeluxe said:
I still throw the small scraps you mentioned in there. Leave that stuff around my place and something, usually dogs, find a way to make a mess of it.
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Yeah. Most hunters don't have a choice but to through the skins/guts/scraps in the trash. I'm curious if anyone ever got in trouble with the law or waste management company for trashing the un-used parts:confused:
 
Never heard of anyone being charged with it. Around here, if they suspect you are up to no good, specifically, dealing drugs, first thing they do is sift through your garbage, without a warrant. When challenged in court, the law always takes the position that garbage is abandoned property, once you set it at the curb. I suppose the same could be a proper criminal defense. "Once I put it at the curb, it's abandoned, anyone can put stuff in there, take stuff out, ect". Seems non- enforceable to me.

I guess I can say that the little folding GI shovel that I carry, comes in handy at times.
 
ND wanton waste law:

No person shall kill, cripple, waste, destroy, spoil or abandon the edible flesh of any migratory game bird or upland game without making a reasonable effort to retrieve the bird/animal, and retain it in his/her actual custody, at the place where taken and between that place and either (a) his or her personal permanent residence, (b) taxidermist or (c) a common carrier. Edible flesh means the breast meat of any game bird.


Technically you can do what ever you want with the breast meat once you are home. The law is written more to ensure hunters keep in possession what they kill ... don't dump recently killed birds so you can keep hunting.
 
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We usually clean ours when back at the house and eat them within a day or two. Any we transport home we leave a wing on. I hate when a group who has rented a house before us leaves a mess.Only time it REALLY bothers me is when guys clean them and leave a mess at parking spots on walk in / plots areas. This does not look good to landowners who are leasing to state agencies.
 
I hunt out of same motelin SD since early 2000s we are onfourth ownerof this motel. They have a 4 to 5 yard dumpster by bird room the guts of many duck,geese and pheasants are still there from first tripto second thats more than a month.when we pulluptp birdroom cats come out like crazy, one trapper said put guts by his culvert cheep bait.
 
Trespassing pisses me off more than anything! I deal with it all the time at my Grandpa's house(in the ghetto). And sometimes in my driveway(kinda in the country & I have 2 driveways). I always ask the same thing,"why are you in my driveway?". And I always get the same answer "I didn't know". Then I always say "what do you mean you didn't know, do you remember buying this house, did you pay cash?" There are 2 types of property in the country, private & government. If your a hunter then you know where the "public" land is, and everything else is not yours unless you paid for it.
 
This is a problem still around Central ND apparently, I was driving past an abandoned farmstead NW of Bismarck, ND this past Sunday on the way to PLOTS land...saw a bunch of feathers up ahead in the two tracks. Upon a closer look someone had cleaned at least 3 birds on the road and left them on the edge of the road. This was one place that will be good when snow falls, but i'm sure next year won't be PLOTS because some idiot left the remains right where it was visible. Honestly I should have moved it off the road completely to preserve hunting access (in hindsight), but didn't.

I clean birds at home and throw only entrails and feathers in trashbag. Otherwise the full bird is used/cooked at my home and never wasted. Heck we even save a wing and gizzard to send to my uncles brother (biologist) who studies them at UW for lead and the correlations it may have to upland birds in general. I've yet to see results of his studies but will post findings when he's got enough of a sample size to publish results.
 
1pheas4 said:
Yeah. Most hunters don't have a choice but to through the skins/guts/scraps in the trash. I'm curious if anyone ever got in trouble with the law or waste management company for trashing the un-used parts:confused:
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I have a friend who is heavy into waterfowl hunting. He got a personal visit one day from his trash man, and I think the city sent him a letter some time later. I don't think there was a penalty or anything, they just said they wouldn't pick up his trash anymore if he continued to put dead animals in it. He asked what he is supposed to do, and they said they don't care just don't put them in the trash.

In his case, I believe it was nearly full barrels of snow goose carcasses. I'm sure the cans weighed over 100# apiece, and stunk to high heaven since he was chasing them daily at the time. I would guess you would have to do something like that in order to raise any eyebrows.

I think all they did differently after that was to mix around who threw away the carcasses, or split them up instead of throwing them all away at my friend's house every time.
 
I butcher 2 deer at home every season. That's a lot of bone, and fat, and hide... I just make sure to tie the bags tightly, keep it cool until trash day, and make sure the trash can isn't unreasonably heavy.
 
I'm not dealing in tons of meat, but when I've got carcasses, and a while to go until trash day, I'll freeze them. Then when trash day comes along I put out the cans, head to work and at some point during the day I think, '#$%^& I forgot to put those in the can!' :D
 
Finding a good road culvert is what we do. Usually has some water in it so coons, coyotes, etc. Plus, is it outta sight for people other than trappers. If you have a neighbor you dont like, you can throw them in his crawl space. Hard to get that smell out of a house!!!:D
 
ranchodeluxe said:
Since it has become clear to me that many here don't have the hunting etiquette they claim to have, and because it took a text message to a CO to back up what several people advised you to do, when you have misidentified, and therefore killed the wrong gender of bird. ( Seems like the "forget about, leave it lay" folks didn't want to discuss it much, after that), I will just post a paragraph from the 2016 Hunting Atlas, you can argue with that ( and I know you will):

4. Do not leave carcasses in the field, or next to roads or parking areas. Private lands have been lost because inconsiderate individuals have left carcasses and gut piles in parking areas and along roads. When field dressing harvested animals, gut piles should be disposed of away from highly visible areas.

I won't tell you what I do with them because the experts who said it's alright to leave a dead hen lay in the field and not self-report, will, no doubt have plenty to say. Of course they would be wrong about that, too.
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Look up self-righteousness and get back to us.
 
MinnHunter said:
Look up self-righteousness and get back to us.
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This from a guy who wrote the following on another thread:

Funny that in 40 years of hunting I have never met or even heard of anyone that would turn themselves in for accidentally shooting a hen yet here on this thread are several people that would do so. hmmm.

Nuff said about your ethics. B Bye
 
ranchodeluxe said:
This from a guy who wrote the following on another thread:

Funny that in 40 years of hunting I have never met or even heard of anyone that would turn themselves in for accidentally shooting a hen yet here on this thread are several people that would do so. hmmm.

Nuff said about your ethics. B Bye
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here's a post from a former south dakota law enforcement officer from an older thread on this site-

http://www.ultimatepheasanthunting.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26249&postcount=32

if accidentally shooting a hen is not a violation that may be fined, i'm still unclear why ethics or etiquette would require someone to call and self-report it to the conservation officers.
 
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gps4 said:
here's a post from a former south dakota law enforcement officer from an older thread on this site-

http://www.ultimatepheasanthunting.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26249&postcount=32

if accidentally shooting a hen is not a violation that may be fined, i'm still unclear why ethics or etiquette would require someone to call and self-report it to the conservation officers.
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Because the guy is wrong, plain and simple. "In Law enforcement" can mean a lot of things other than " I am an in the field Conservation Officer". We had a guy named Steve Kerrigan who WAS in law enforcement, when he held a gun to buddies head and told him to get off his dirt bike or he was a dead man. Then he put him on his knees and told him he should kill him for terrorizing his wife, "last weekend". He turned out to be an ex- Secret Service agent, run out of Washington for being nuttier than a Stuckey's Pecan Log. You know what his Law Enforcement role was around here?, it was to do background checks on Federal employees, he had no jurisdiction in the woods, at all. He was fired, lost his pension and now he does the same job in the ND oil patch. You see, many cops have an over-inflated view of their own importance. Did you ask the guy what he meant by "being in law enforcement"? Of course not, you took his word for gold 'cause he told you too. When someone says "take it from me", you know a line of BS is coming.

You can say it was an accident, and if you self-report, they can consider that, along with other pertinent facts. If you shoot a hen and don't report it, and they are watching, or perhaps the lodge you are staying at is being investigated, (they may have State investigators hunting right next to you), they cannot discern your intent. In that case, you are not only going to be fined, you will likely lose your SD hunting privileges.

I can show you a spot, just South of I-90 where the local CO has a hay bale blind setup to see in all directions, for miles, just happens there are several pay hunt operations within his view. So don't say it can't happen, they have killer surveillance resources.

But don't "take it from me", just call any SD conservation officer and ask him/her the same question I did.

My question verbatim was: "We know it is illegal to possess a hen pheasant, but what if, by accident a hen is killed? What is the proper protocol"?

I know you won't because you want to believe you can get away with poor judgement in the field.

I posted his text message reply on another thread. If you think it is legal to shoot hens and leave them lie, I can't help you any further.
 
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