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Citori16

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Had the opportunity to meet with Blaine in Dodge City Ks and have a tour of his kennel and training operation and meet his lineup of fine British labs
A fine young man and very impressed with what he has accomplished at such a young age. My next pup will be from his kennel and have him train the pup
 
Good choice. We purchased a female yellow from him two years ago. A true British hunting lab. On top of that, Blaine is a great trainer, has a triple AAA facility and knows what he is doing from start to finish. He's become a good friend.

A story I like to tell about Blaine. Most of us have had dogs that think toenail clipping is going to kill them. Blaine takes the pups, before their eyes are even open I believe, and gently takes a Q-tip and moves it around/in/on their feet. I don't know how many times he does this, but I do know my lab will set calmly, offer her paw(s) and allow me to clip her nails. A simple thing, but all part of a complete breeder/trainer, and it makes my life so much simpler.
 
Powderhorn Jim said:
Good choice. We purchased a female yellow from him two years ago. A true British hunting lab. On top of that, Blaine is a great trainer, has a triple AAA facility and knows what he is doing from start to finish. He's become a good friend.

A story I like to tell about Blaine. Most of us have had dogs that think toenail clipping is going to kill them. Blaine takes the pups, before their eyes are even open I believe, and gently takes a Q-tip and moves it around/in/on their feet. I don't know how many times he does this, but I do know my lab will set calmly, offer her paw(s) and allow me to clip her nails. A simple thing, but all part of a complete breeder/trainer, and it makes my life s
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Since he does not train with a e collar how does your pup handle on a whistle? That is the British way of training and the way it was done here before the e collar
I noticed he also does not remove dew claws. I do not trim nails as my dogs are on cement 50% of the time and keep the nails worn down
I never clip nails as my dogs are on cement 50% and keep the nails worn down
 
Citori16 said:
Since he does not train with a e collar how does your pup handle on a whistle? That is the British way of training and the way it was done here before the e collar
I noticed he also does not remove dew claws. I do not trim nails as my dogs are on cement 50% of the time and keep the nails worn down
I never clip nails as my dogs are on cement 50% and keep the nails worn down
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I have trained our pup myself. I do use an e-collar once the pup has the basics but truthfully responding to the "tone" function is what I quickly work toward. That keeps things as quiet as possible in the field. I can hunt for an entire day and not have to say (or whistle) a word. I do not train competition dogs like Blaine does so our training methods are very different.

As far as dew claws, Blaine explained why he doesn't have them removed, but honestly it concerns me. Our pup has already ripped one completely off. It regrew but dewclaws don't touch the ground so they have to be trimmed religiously. Blaine doesn't do things without reason, but we differ on dew claw removal. If it is of concern, talk to Blaine about it. Hunting in many areas in the West is in sandy soil. Your dogs claws won't wear off. They also will wear into very sharp points. I would plan to trim claws every 2-3:weeks to avoid injury.

My last thought, when I picked up our pup I spent a day with Blaine. It was well worth it. He had 15 or so dogs in his runs. Most places, when you walk in pandemonium breaks out. Not a bark, not a whine. Friendly, calm dogs mirroring their trainer.
 
Powderhorn Jim said:
I have trained our pup myself. I do use an e-collar once the pup has the basics but truthfully responding to the "tone" function is what I quickly work toward. That keeps things as quiet as possible in the field. I can hunt for an entire day and not have to say (or whistle) a word. I do not train competition dogs like Blaine does so our training methods are very different.

As far as dew claws, Blaine explained why he doesn't have them removed, but honestly it concerns me. Our pup has already ripped one completely off. It regrew but dewclaws don't touch the ground so they have to be trimmed religiously. Blaine doesn't do things without reason, but we differ on dew claw removal. If it is of concern, talk to Blaine about it. Hunting in many areas in the West is in sandy soil. Your dogs claws won't wear off. They also will wear into very sharp points. I would plan to trim claws every 2-3:weeks to avoid injury.

My last thought, when I picked up our pup I spent a day with Blaine. It was well worth it. He had 15 or so dogs in his runs. Most places, when you walk in pandemonium breaks out. Not a bark, not a whine. Friendly, calm dogs mirroring their trainer.
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My bad- just assumed Blaine trained your pup as he has some training programs available.
I don’t have a concern with the dew claws as I have had dogs with intact and removed with no problems with either. Seems the current trend is to not remove with the non field trial breeders. Had one breeder say you don’t cut thumbs off babies why would you do that to a pup and that God put them there for a reason. Seems to be a personal choice.
Anyone had a dog trained the “old” way without an e collar? Results? The British kennels seem to train without e collars

Current pup was collar conditioned and I use the beeper to handle/recall also and don’t need the stimulation
 
Citori16 said:
Since he does not train with a e collar how does your pup handle on a whistle? That is the British way of training and the way it was done here before the e collar
I noticed he also does not remove dew claws. I do not trim nails as my dogs are on cement 50% of the time and keep the nails worn down
I never clip nails as my dogs are on cement 50% and keep the nails worn down
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I keep seeing more and more kennels are no longer removing dew claws. From what I am reading I am in agreement with the new line of thinking.
 
If my dog did have dewclaws, I would suggest 2” adhesive tape as a protective wrap to avoid trauma. Some dogs have rear dewclaws and are more prone to injury as they are not as fixed as are the front. The above analogy to a baby’s thumb is far fetched, one is weight bearing and one is able to grip.
 
Quailnerd said:
Dew claws in my opinion are an accident waiting to happen…. I don’t get the new push to leave them in. If I’m missing something I’m all ears.
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The arthritis angle is interesting, should be someone on this site that’s experienced this over the years. When did the removal of dews start happening?
 
My latest pup came with dew claws. I had gotten dogs from her in the past. When I asked her about it she said that if the dog ever went through the ice, dew claws would be the best way for the dog to grapple out.
 
Dog boots tape on right were the claw would have been, some parts of the world don’t deal with this but to me it’s almost every outing. I’ve even wondered if wearing extra weight and changing a dog’s gait with boots causes problems over the years?
 
Dog boots tape on right were the claw would have been, some parts of the world don’t deal with this but to me it’s almost every outing. I’ve even wondered if wearing extra weight and changing a dog’s gait with boots causes problems over the years?
 
I'm on my sixth generation of Labradors. All had their dewclaws removed except this one. Not one of the previous five had issues. Considering where I ask them to work, and having this pup already rip one completely off, I even considered having them removed as an adult dog. Major surgery. $700. I have opted to keep them trimmed (the damaged one regrew, but is deformed), at least for now.
 
My dog was bred at Riverview Farms and trained at Winans Retriever Kennels and he wears dew claws. Makes you wonder how coyotes can survive. It isn't a big deal and more and more field trail people are leaving then on nowadays.
 
westksbowhunter said:
My dog was bred at Riverview Farms and trained at Winans Retriever Kennels and he wears dew claws. Makes you wonder how coyotes can survive. It isn't a big deal and more and more field trail people are leaving then on nowadays.
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Tell me it isn't a big deal when your dog is spurting blood and has a major open wound and you've just traveled hundreds of miles to hunt. On the good side, Blaine's early imprint training makes it easy to keep their toenails/dew claws trimmed.
 
Powderhorn Jim said:
Tell me it isn't a big deal when your dog is spurting blood and has a major open wound and you've just traveled hundreds of miles to hunt. On the good side, Blaine's early imprint training makes it easy to keep their toenails/dew claws trimmed.
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There are draw backs to everything and dogs can be injured in many ways. There are more positives to keeping dew claws on. Field trial people and Vets are coming around to this. There is a reason that the british breeders leave them on. We always left them on back in the 60's, 70's, and 80's and never had an injury. But we had lots of injuries from cuts on barb wire, porcupines, etc.
 
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