what areas do you look for on the map when deciding to hunt upland birds

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I have never been wild bird hunting, but Pheasant, Sharp tail, and huns will be in season in October when I plan my hunt. When looking at the maps, which areas should I be looking for, Which type of place would you focus on. Microsoft Copilot has pointed me to open grain fields.
This seems odd as there are no cover.
 
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Yes those areas should/could/might hold birds but boots on the ground is the best not Copilot. Ive been learning MT for 20 years.
 
Yes those areas should/could/might hold birds but boots on the ground is the best not Copilot. Ive been learning MT for 20 years.
yeah, I just cannot wait to see it myself. Just trying to build a game plan. I wish it was not not 30 hours away, or I would go up and look before we go to take the dogs. The one place looks like a grain fields to me, and the other has some slopes. I was reading that sharp tail like the slopes
 
I'm far from an expert, but once in a few tries luck into a good spot.

For sharpies I look for cover that averages about shin height (a little less on the tops, and taller in the draws), a variety of plant types (scattered berries, different shades of green when viewed from the road), grasshoppers, and if all of that is within sight of a cut wheat field I start walking. Early season hot sunny afternoons they like to sit in the shade under some shrubs, which may be in lower areas. Otherwise they do often sit up high where they can see danger coming. Instead of kicking your feet up in the evening with a beverage get in your truck and scout. As the sun is going down in good areas you'll often see them flying back into areas where they roost from wherever they've been feeding.

Usually the best I can tell from the map is whether there's a reasonable amount of grasslands in an area. Once you get there it might be grazed down to bare dirt. No amount of E scouting will substitute for getting out in the truck and looking with your own eyes. When you do find birds pay attention. What was in their crop. What does the cover look like (keep that mental picture in your head and update it when you find more). What is on the surrounding properties (look at the surrounding area on a satellite picture).

They like small fields too, not just giant tracks of open grass. Those smaller 1/4 sections, or big fingers of waste grass in an ag field, are a lot easier to hunt without burning yourself and your dog out while you figure things out.

The first couple days I spent chasing sharpies and huns I never saw a single bird. The main thing is not giving up.
 
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I have never been wild bird hunting, but Pheasant, Sharp tail, and huns will be in season in October when I plan my hunt. When looking at the maps, which areas should I be looking for, Which type of place would you focus on. Microsoft Copilot has pointed me to open grain fields.
This seems odd as there are no cover.
I give you credit for coming here and laying out your skill level and intentions....many on here have been at this wild bird passion for decades...not years.. and we are still learning and yes, struggling, at times. I tagged along on my first Chukar hunt in 1965 and actually got my first Chukar in 68..
My suggestions to you would be ...
1) narrow down what species you really want to target and what general area that has access and birds....you can get this all online these days.
2) be flexible and plan on spending as much time roads scouting as hunting.....your gas bill will be substantial.
3) once you have really narrowed down where you want to put boots on the ground, get there before sunrise with a good set of binos... most of nature's wonderful creatures are up and at it at daybreak.
4) I am assuming you don't have a dog.... walk the areas you have identified having birds (#3) primarily focusing on edge habitat or small pockets of exceptional cover. You have to be in the ready to mount and fire all the time or you will miss a lot of opportunities.If you are not putting in at least 4 or 5 hours walking...you have picked the wrong game.
5) most importantly, just have fun and understand there is a lot to learn....so don't be frustrated by the difficulties you WILL have as a beginner..
Share back how things go for you, if you don't mind..
After rereading your post...it sounds like you have dogs?? If they have never hunted wild birds...you can bet they will have the same learning curve you are going to have....lol
 
I'm far from an expert, but once in a few tries luck into a good spot.

For sharpies I look for cover that averages about shin height (a little less on the tops, and taller in the draws), a variety of plant types (scattered berries, different shades of green when viewed from the road), grasshoppers, and if all of that is within sight of a cut wheat field I start walking. Early season hot sunny afternoons they like to sit in the shade under some shrubs, which may be in lower areas. Otherwise they do often sit up high where they can see danger coming. Instead of kicking your feet up in the evening with a beverage get in your truck and scout. As the sun is going down in good areas you'll often see them flying back into areas where they roost from wherever they've been feeding.

Usually the best I can tell from the map is whether there's a reasonable amount of grasslands in an area. Once you get there it might be grazed down to bare dirt. No amount of E scouting will substitute for getting out in the truck and looking with your own eyes. When you do find birds pay attention. What was in their crop. What does the cover look like (keep that mental picture in your head and update it when you find more). What is on the surrounding properties (look at the surrounding area on a satellite picture).

They like small fields too, not just giant tracks of open grass. Those smaller 1/4 sections, or big fingers of waste grass in an ag field, are a lot easier to hunt without burning yourself and your dog out while you figure things out.

The first couple days I spent chasing sharpies and huns I never saw a single bird. The main thing is not giving up.
Wow what a great response. Thank you
 
I give you credit for coming here and laying out your skill level and intentions....many on here have been at this wild bird passion for decades...not years.. and we are still learning and yes, struggling, at times. I tagged along on my first Chukar hunt in 1965 and actually got my first Chukar in 68..
My suggestions to you would be ...
1) narrow down what species you really want to target and what general area that has access and birds....you can get this all online these days.
2) be flexible and plan on spending as much time roads scouting as hunting.....your gas bill will be substantial.
3) once you have really narrowed down where you want to put boots on the ground, get there before sunrise with a good set of binos... most of nature's wonderful creatures are up and at it at daybreak.
4) I am assuming you don't have a dog.... walk the areas you have identified having birds (#3) primarily focusing on edge habitat or small pockets of exceptional cover. You have to be in the ready to mount and fire all the time or you will miss a lot of opportunities.If you are not putting in at least 4 or 5 hours walking...you have picked the wrong game.
5) most importantly, just have fun and understand there is a lot to learn....so don't be frustrated by the difficulties you WILL have as a beginner..
Share back how things go for you, if you don't mind..
After rereading your post...it sounds like you have dogs?? If they have never hunted wild birds...you can bet they will have the same learning curve you are going to have....lol
Thanks for such a good response. I do have a dog. It's a 4 year old german wired hair pointer. I am working to get her steady now. I chose Montana as I was told it would give her more opportunities to point birds.
 
Montana late October.

Sharpies have a reputation for getting extremely hard to hunt as you get later in the season. They group up into bigger groups and get very jumpy.
I have only ever hunted them in Montana in Sept. There were pheasants around too, and I guess I would just say they don't call them ditch parrots for nothing. Taller cover in draws, ditches and waterways, shrubby hedgerows all near row crops, cut wheat, etc. I can never seem to target Huns. Where I think I'll see them I don't, and just seem to run into them once in a while.

Depending on where you are driving from and how long you have it might be worth your time to stop a day each way in N. MN or WI and look for ruffs and woodcock. I always spend at least a week that time of year in the woods in WI. WI has an excellent app called FFlight or I believe the same data is on OnX. It shows areas to key into for ruffs or woodcock, and the info is fairly good although I'd say on average it gives you too young of Aspen cuts for best ruff hunting. Not sure about MN because I haven't hunted there but I'd assume they must have something similar.
 
I give you credit for coming here and laying out your skill level and intentions....many on here have been at this wild bird passion for decades...not years.. and we are still learning and yes, struggling, at times. I tagged along on my first Chukar hunt in 1965 and actually got my first Chukar in 68..
My suggestions to you would be ...
1) narrow down what species you really want to target and what general area that has access and birds....you can get this all online these days.
2) be flexible and plan on spending as much time roads scouting as hunting.....your gas bill will be substantial.
3) once you have really narrowed down where you want to put boots on the ground, get there before sunrise with a good set of binos... most of nature's wonderful creatures are up and at it at daybreak.
4) I am assuming you don't have a dog.... walk the areas you have identified having birds (#3) primarily focusing on edge habitat or small pockets of exceptional cover. You have to be in the ready to mount and fire all the time or you will miss a lot of opportunities.If you are not putting in at least 4 or 5 hours walking...you have picked the wrong game.
5) most importantly, just have fun and understand there is a lot to learn....so don't be frustrated by the difficulties you WILL have as a beginner..
Share back how things go for you, if you don't mind..
After rereading your post...it sounds like you have dogs?? If they have never hunted wild birds...you can bet they will have the same learning curve you are going to have....lol
Haretrigger, that was an incredible response!

In the west, I would add water to your list. It can be a spring, creek, pond or lake but in the west, if you don't see water on OnX or google earth...........don't bother checking it out.
 
Haretrigger, that was an incredible response!

In the west, I would add water to your list. It can be a spring, creek, pond or lake but in the west, if you don't see water on OnX or google earth...........don't bother checking it out.
 
Not sure about maps, but do some reading and figure out an area with potential. You want to find private ground opportunities, to avoid those all day hunts where fellas walk all day to try to get a limit. Spend a day or weekend in the area you want to hunt and meet some of the locals. Stop in a couple of the nearby towns, eat an early and late breakfast at different diners/cafes/bars (same with lunch) and ask about bird hunting, who farms, get some names, phone numbers, maybe address or directions to their place if lucky...with a name and internet access you can likely find their home. Don't forget the fella's name that gives you information and drop that when talking with the landowner/farmers. Write all the intel down as you talk to your contact, take good notes.
I would recommend not calling, but try to locate and visit the landowners/farmers first. Try to not dress like a city kid. Drive an American made 4x4 pick-up, if you have one or can borrow one, it might be that thing you have in common, and that is what you are trying to establish. Talk about the rain or lack of it, how the crops look, try to make it look like you have a clue about rural America. After the small talk, let them know why you are there. If they are still listening, assure them you are not going to bring an army with you or a trailer full of dogs, and then don't. Promise not to drive in where you shouldn't be (anywhere you are leaving ruts) if it is muddy, and you'll leave gates the way you found them. Stop back at the farm after you finish, let them know how you did and that you really appreciate them sharing their land with you. Maybe have a small unique gift that they can remember you by. I don't need to do this for bird hunting, but I do for getting prairie dawg shooting opportunities. Good luck!
 
The web site maps at Montana Game and Fish and South Dakota Game and Fish can give you this information, but in different views. The Montana web site maps showed high concentrations of surveyed "Upland birds number" in the purple hash areas and allowed me to layer on that public hunting areas. The SD map below that show specifically pheasant hunter harvest numbers from 2024 by county. SD site map area also has public hunting map with detailed boundaries that I am more familiar with so I know it shows you specific boundaries so you can confidently walk precise public area lines. Montana should have that on their site as well. MontanaGFP Map.jpg

SD GFP Map.jpg
 
I’m making g my first trip to sd in 34 days, I’ve looked at so many maps and marked pins I feel like I grew up there. Some really good hunting vids on YouTube that show terrain, vegetation… and if they want to keep showing clues to there location in the background fine by me!
 
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