Snake bit

quail hound

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I know there's no science to this but I was wondering if anyone has experienced a direct rattle snake bite to your dogs nose? Lady got one last night in my backyard unfortunately and I worry (now that she's out of the woods) that this will affect her nose. Poor little girl.

 
I've heard, but not experienced, that a very high percentage of rattlesnake bites are "dry" bites, where the snake bites, but doesn't inject venom, so it may just be the equivalent of a puncture wound.


If you are worrying, might be worth a call to your vet.

Best wishes.
 
Oh I'm a wuss Kis, she went straight to the ER. She's back home already and doing well, she just has a big ol' swollen up head.
 
I saw a rattle snake bite my dog in the nose. Swelled up like your dog. Previously my dogs ran off for a couple days. When the same dog came back her nose was swelled up like when I saw her get bit by a rattler. At the time I thought she was bit by a bee/yellow jacket/ wasp and only gave her benadryl.

When I saw her get bit by a rattler, I rushed her to the vet. Asked for anti-venon. Vets made fun of me. Said they had to dust it off first. Did not know they usually just give it steroids. They should have told me.

Do not think it was related but this particular dog quit hunting when she was ten. She lived to almost 16. Only dog I ever had that quit hunting when she was physically able to.
 
Sorry to hear about your dog, Quail Hound. Glad she is on the road to recovery.

I live in a rattlesnake area. My dogs all get the rattlesnake vaccine. It's cheap insurance (~$25) and reported to work well with most rattler bites. The snake can inject enough venom to overwhelm the antibodies the vaccine generate/provides though.

If your dog gets a large dose of venom and you have to go the antivenom route, the vials are generally > $500 a pop, maybe even $700. You might get away with one vial but two wouldn't be unusual.

Seems steroid treatment is not recommended for venomous snake bite anymore. I didn't fine any online vet sites that recommend it. Just about every site offered the same advice as this one. It's a pretty good read.

http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/navc/2005/SAE/063.pdf?LA=1

RATTLESNAKE ENVENOMATION: PATHOGENESIS AND TREATMENT
Kate Hopper BVSc DACVECC
University of California
Davis, CA

...SUPPORTIVE CARE
Antihistamines are commonly used in the management of
snake bite. They can provide some sedation in a distressed
animal and are often chosen in an attempt to prevent
anaphylaxis to the antivenom. One study found that dogs
given phenergen and antivenom died sooner than those
animals treated with antivenom alone. This may have been
due to the hypotension produced by the antihistamine.
Currently antihistamines are only recommended in human
snake bite victims if there are signs of reaction to the
antivenom. The antivenom is stopped and histamine 1 and
histamine 2 blockers are given (+/- epinephrine) and the
patients are observed closely. If the patient improves the
antivenom infusion is continued at a slow rate.

Corticosteroids are the most controversial topic in snake
bite therapy. In the literature there is no evidence
demonstrating that corticosteroids provide benefit to humans
or animals with crotalid bites. Several of these studies have
found that patients treated with corticosteroids and antivenom
have a higher morbidity and mortality than those treated with
antivenom alone
.

Pain is a major clinical sign following envenomation.
In human medicine, a reduction in the degree of pain
association with a snake bite is seen as an indication of
adequate antivenom administration. In veterinary medicine
pain can make patients very difficult to handle and treat.
Analgesia is often an important therapeutic consideration.
Opioids such as hydromorphone, butorphanol or
buprenorphine are recommended as they can provide
analgesia with minimal cardiovascular effects.
Broad spectrum antibiotics are advised as snake mouths
are known to contain numerous pathogenic bacterial,
predominantly gram negative bacteria. As a snake bite lesion
progresses and there is tissue death present, secondary
infection of the area is a risk.

In the past crotalid bites have sometimes been treated with
surgical debridement. This has been found to substantially
increase morbidity and mortality compared to antivenom
therapy alone and is not advised. Fasciotomy to relieve
pressure in swollen tissue (compartment syndrome) has also
been found to contribute to morbidity and can often result in
greater tissue trauma than the necrosis and damage due to
the venom alone. Progressive tissue swelling is most
effectively treated with further antivenom administration. Tissue
edema and swelling will resolve in 7-10 days if sufficient
supportive care is provided.
 
She did get one unit of antivenon at $562.50. All of my other dogs are vaccinated but unfortunately Lady was set to start her vaccination at her NEXT vet appointment. :(

At home feeling much better already.

 
My dad grew up in western kansas and spent a lot of time in Oklahoma , he tells me stories about a shepherd that got bit by a cottonmouth and was hell on snakes afterwords until one finally did him in. I remember going home with a college roommate and pulling up alongside his heeler who was rattlesnake bit. I dont think it was the first time and think a snake finally finished him. Cool stories on the farm. I guess I would worry about a repeat and look into an avoidance class.
 
Thanks guys, we will definitely be doing an avoidance class before season starts. Sold a lage part of my swimbait collection that netted a little over $1,000 to help with the ER bill. Lady is doing very well and less than 48hrs later I'm already having trouble keeping her quiet.:thumbsup:
 
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