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We are always challenged by age and genetics, trying to easily overcome the genetic deficiencies. Haven’t come across the perfect canine specimen yet. I use supplements for my senior dogs and myself, trying to slow the aging process. How old were we made to live ?
 
I feed a grain free salmon and sweet potato food.
I've tried a few of the other brands thru the years, but my dog does very well on this food for his gastrointestinal system, which wasn't the case with others.
At 9 now, and in the conditioning he is in, my vet won't even switch him to a Senior food yet, as his metrics are no where near "senior".
So, for me and my dog, what I am doing works.
I wouldn't consider a 9 year old dog a senior by any means. Mine will be 12 and still gets 30/20 Inukshuk. I have just cut back on the amount she gets. She will hunt like always this year with no supplements. I have hunted my dogs when it was 5 below for waterfowl in deep strip pits where the water doesn't freeze. They have ice all over them and they keep going and never miss a beat. No vests, no dog boots, no supplements. Just the best quality food made. Before Inukshuk it was Eukanuba. For them upland hunting is like recess.
 
We are always challenged by age and genetics, trying to easily overcome the genetic deficiencies. Haven’t come across the perfect canine specimen yet. I use supplements for my senior dogs and myself, trying to slow the aging process. How old were we made to live ?
I think humans eat a terrible diet. Processed foods cause a majority of our health problems, along with a lack of exercise, obesity, and a lack of sleep. Some illnesses just can't be overcome or avoided due to genetics but most problems with us come from lifestyle choices.
 
A high quality food and water are all that is needed. I take care of my dogs all year so they are ready for hunting season. All the supplements are a waste of time and money. Do yourselves a favor and start feeding Unukshuk
After a good bit of study and conversation with my vet, I would disagree. I feed a high quality food with Extreme Dog Fuel, but I feel the supplement provides another level of recovery, muscle repair, and enhanced endurance. Their muscle structures are not much different from humans in their need for various amino acids, vitamins, and electrolytes to function and recover properly and quicker. The elevated levels of B12 provides for a healthier blood supply for nutrient and oxygen movement to increase energy and stamina, etc. The amino acids are the kicker in the formula.
 
I think humans eat a terrible diet. Processed foods cause a majority of our health problems, along with a lack of exercise, obesity, and a lack of sleep. Some illnesses just can't be overcome or avoided due to genetics but most problems with us come from lifestyle choices.
I agree with you on our food choices. This became very apparent to me when my wife and I spent almost three weeks in Croatia and Slovenia this summer. They don’t have near the processed food or ingredients we do. The food tastes better and is just better for you.
 
Like many topics here, each of us have our own experiences and information, one of the reasons that I enjoy this site so much.
I also really appreciate and respect the opinions and information on here that is passed back and forth. I know that I personally have utilized pieces of opinions and information since I joined.
I have had some of this/these discussions, especially over the last 4 years, with my vet and feel like I have a very good handle on my dog's health and what works. Some of those conversations might never had happened without the opinions and information shared on this site.
That is why I usually just put out there what I use and why, what works for this dog.....who is way different than my last dog that developed diabetes by the age of 4.....that was not fun to manage in a high drive waterfowl/upland lab.
So it is all relative to what works for us, and I'm going to give my dog every tactical advantage I can for his health.
 
Like many topics here, each of us have our own experiences and information, one of the reasons that I enjoy this site so much.
I also really appreciate and respect the opinions and information on here that is passed back and forth. I know that I personally have utilized pieces of opinions and information since I joined.
I have had some of this/these discussions, especially over the last 4 years, with my vet and feel like I have a very good handle on my dog's health and what works. Some of those conversations might never had happened without the opinions and information shared on this site.
That is why I usually just put out there what I use and why, what works for this dog.....who is way different than my last dog that developed diabetes by the age of 4.....that was not fun to manage in a high drive waterfowl/upland lab.
So it is all relative to what works for us, and I'm going to give my dog every tactical advantage I can for his health.
Amen
 
I think humans eat a terrible diet. Processed foods cause a majority of our health problems, along with a lack of exercise, obesity, and a lack of sleep. Some illnesses just can't be overcome or avoided due to genetics but most problems with us come from lifestyle choices.
When my sugar level started climbing, I asked my doctor about a good diet. He said the truth was just to cut back on the carbs and sugar and don't eat anything that comes in a sealed package. Wow, I started feeling better in a weak!! Now if I could just do something about my looks. 😁
 
How do you use the salts for wounds?
My buddy's setter was running hard past me close when she rammed a sharp stick into her shoulder. Laid her open pretty good. We took her to an old vet that we knew from previous problems and also let us hunt on him in southern Iowa. He said that if he sewed her up, she was done hunting for this trip. But if we soaked the wound in water and Epson salts, we could keep hunting her, it would help draw out foreign material and accelerate the healing. I'll be dammed, we rested her a day, cleaned and held Epson salts compresses on it for 10 minutes at night. The wound started drying and healing in two days. Didn't hardly leave a scar.
 
Very few studies have been done on supplements for dogs. Most of the stuff you read are suggestions and opinions. Here is one of the few and it suggests that supplements may be beneficial. Not that they are.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180508180649.htm

The problem with the study is that we don't know what food was being fed. There are a few good quality foods out there like Inukshuk and Dr. Tims. One thing for sure is that a hunting dog needs a food high in fat. If your dog is struggling with a high fat content it is probably because you are feeding too much of it. My dogs are 75 lbs and 58 lbs. The 58 lb dog is 11 years old. They get 2 cups and 1.5 cups daily. During hunting season they get a 1/2 cup more. They are in fine hunting condition.

Any vet is going to recommend supplements because they sell them. They also sell a very poor-quality food in Science Diet which is going to need something to go along with it. It is hard to put much trust in a Vets nutritional suggestion when they sell Science Diet. My vet is better than most but had never heard of Inukshuk or Dr. Tims so it is hard to put much trust in their nutritional suggestions. Inukshuk is fairly inexpensive at $70 per bag. Dr. Tims will run close to a $120 per 40 lb bag. If you are feeding a 26/16 food your dog is missing something during hunting season.
 
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After a good bit of study and conversation with my vet, I would disagree. I feed a high quality food with Extreme Dog Fuel, but I feel the supplement provides another level of recovery, muscle repair, and enhanced endurance. Their muscle structures are not much different from humans in their need for various amino acids, vitamins, and electrolytes to function and recover properly and quicker. The elevated levels of B12 provides for a healthier blood supply for nutrient and oxygen movement to increase energy and stamina, etc. The amino acids are the kicker in the formula.
Extreme Dog Fuel is 485 Kcal per cup 30/20. Pro Plan 30/20 is 480 Kcal per cup. Inukshuk is 578 Kcal per cup 30/25. Dr. Tims Momentum is 530 Kcal per cup. I have used a ton of different supplements over the years. But Inukshuk has eliminated that need for me. Several years ago I fed Dr. Tims and felt it was the best food you could use. But sometimes it was difficult to get it so went back to Euk. Then switched to Inukshuk and will continue to use it with the results I get. No supplements needed with it.
 
Extreme Dog Fuel is 485 Kcal per cup 30/20. Pro Plan 30/20 is 480 Kcal per cup. Inukshuk is 578 Kcal per cup 30/25. Dr. Tims Momentum is 530 Kcal per cup. I have used a ton of different supplements over the years. But Inukshuk has eliminated that need for me. Several years ago I fed Dr. Tims and felt it was the best food you could use. But sometimes it was difficult to get it so went back to Euk. Then switched to Inukshuk and will continue to use it with the results I get. No supplements needed with it.
All really good dog food. FWIW, Nutrisource Performance is 488 kcal per cup, so there are a few that fall into the same range of kcal per cup. A lot don't and like you, I think more calories per cup are better. I fed Inukshuk 30/25 for a while but it didn't work for my Vizsla. Wasn't the food...it's him but I play the cards he gives me.

A lot of people swear by glycocharge for recovery on long, multi day trips but you're supposed to mix and serve within 20 minutes or so of putting them away for the day. Works better in plastic bowls vs metal too....I've been told. Unfortunately, my dogs don't always want cold water in cold temps, as soon as they got back to the truck, didn't like the flavor and mixing it wasn't always my first priority. It didn't work for me or my dogs. I wanted to see if the Alpha would/could provide similar benefits and replace the glycocharge in a different delivery form and without the time constraints. I don't normally give my dogs supplements but long, out of state hunts can be hard on dogs so I am going to see if I notice any difference or benefit in recovery during and after several days of hunting. I'll be the first to admit if I don't see any benefit.
 
As a last minute purchase, before my annual SD pheasant hunting trip, I bought a bottle of the Alpha Dog Resurgence powder for Whisky. I used it a couple of days before the trip and every day during the trip. I sprinkled it on his food, that I also added water to as well. I can't say for 100% it helped, but I feel like he was in better condition each morning. I will continue to use it for the next few days as part of his overall recovery process.

I’ve used this the past 3-4 years before during and right after my trip out to sd definitely seems to have helped my lab. This year I’ve got him on Furvor as well.
 
All really good dog food. FWIW, Nutrisource Performance is 488 kcal per cup, so there are a few that fall into the same range of kcal per cup. A lot don't and like you, I think more calories per cup are better. I fed Inukshuk 30/25 for a while but it didn't work for my Vizsla. Wasn't the food...it's him but I play the cards he gives me.

A lot of people swear by glycocharge for recovery on long, multi day trips but you're supposed to mix and serve within 20 minutes or so of putting them away for the day. Works better in plastic bowls vs metal too....I've been told. Unfortunately, my dogs don't always want cold water in cold temps, as soon as they got back to the truck, didn't like the flavor and mixing it wasn't always my first priority. It didn't work for me or my dogs. I wanted to see if the Alpha would/could provide similar benefits and replace the glycocharge in a different delivery form and without the time constraints. I don't normally give my dogs supplements but long, out of state hunts can be hard on dogs so I am going to see if I notice any difference or benefit in recovery during and after several days of hunting. I'll be the first to admit if I don't see any benefit.
I guess my point was that Extreme Dog Fuel, Pro Plan, and throw in Nutrisource if you want are what I would consider mid-range foods. They are all about the same. Inukshuk and Dr. Tims are top tier. Working dogs need a food high in Fat and Protein. The problem with supplements are that you have no idea what you are giving to your dog. These things are monitored and tested really. Like I said, very few studies out there but here is an interesting take.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022316623022927

Minerals and vitamins​

Meat is deficient in trace minerals and vitamins. Many dog owners feed vitamin supplements but take no account of vitamins and minerals already present in the food; thus toxicity is possible. Most commercial pet foods contain sufficient vitamins and minerals for sedentary dogs, but this balance of vitamins and minerals may have to be altered for exercising dogs. It is likely that endurance racing dogs, which consume large amounts of food, may require less vitamins and minerals per joule than greyhounds, which consume little more food, vitamins and minerals than sedentary dogs.
Gannon (1980) has suggested that exertional rhabdomyolysis may occur in greyhounds that are raced too frequently because the recurrent acidosis that follows each race increases potassium loss in the urine and leads to intracellular potassium deficiency. This seems unlikely, however, because Knochel et al. (1985) found that training increased intracellular potassium, skeletal sarcolemmal sodium:potassium ATPase activity and the muscle membrane potential, but reduced plasma potassium concentrations and reduced the increase in plasma potassium concentration after exercise.
Some vitamins, particularly antioxidant vitamins, may have a pharmacologic action during exercise. The antioxidant vitamins E and C may inhibit free radical production in skeletal muscle during rigorous exercise (Jenkins 1988). Very large doses of vitamin E are often given to racing dogs but an appropriate dose is unknown. Vitamin C is not an essential nutrient in sedentary dogs and is present in fresh meat but may also be conditionally essential in racing sled dogs. Signs of scurvy were observed in sled dogs fed stored frozen meat for long periods (Butson 1973). These signs were prevented by feeding fresh meat. A decrease in plasma ascorbate in racing sled dogs was also prevented by administering 4 mg/(kJ ⋅ d) by mouth (Kronfeld and Donoghue 1988). The oxidation of fat when meat is stored may also increase this requirement for antioxidants.
 
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My buddy's setter was running hard past me close when she rammed a sharp stick into her shoulder. Laid her open pretty good. We took her to an old vet that we knew from previous problems and also let us hunt on him in southern Iowa. He said that if he sewed her up, she was done hunting for this trip. But if we soaked the wound in water and Epson salts, we could keep hunting her, it would help draw out foreign material and accelerate the healing. I'll be dammed, we rested her a day, cleaned and held Epson salts compresses on it for 10 minutes at night. The wound started drying and healing in two days. Didn't hardly leave a scar.
I carry saline vs epson salt just because I don't want it to dry out too much. I've got other stuff in the med bag to handle the wound, but this conversation has me rethinking what I carry.
 
And here is another stating that dogs do not need electrolytes. Here is a quote: "They don’t need electrolyte drinks, as dogs don’t sweat away electrolytes like we do. Even some canine sports drinks may cause gastrointestinal upset and lead to diarrhea." And here is what the article says on supplements.

Supplements hype​

Many nutrition supplements are touted for improving canine performance, but outside experts have mixed opinions on their use.

“I am not a huge fan of global supplements other than use of post-exercise carb repletion of glycogen during eventing days to provide the fuel for the next day," Wakshlag says. "I think things like fiber and probiotics for stress diarrhea are likely the number one thing to consider.”

Maltodextrin supplements can be used for the carb replacement, but only on days of competition.
 
Extreme Dog Fuel is 485 Kcal per cup 30/20. Pro Plan 30/20 is 480 Kcal per cup. Inukshuk is 578 Kcal per cup 30/25. Dr. Tims Momentum is 530 Kcal per cup. I have used a ton of different supplements over the years. But Inukshuk has eliminated that need for me. Several years ago I fed Dr. Tims and felt it was the best food you could use. But sometimes it was difficult to get it so went back to Euk. Then switched to Inukshuk and will continue to use it with the results I get. No supplements needed with it.
Have you had any issues with your dogs and the corn as an ingredient in the food? I've always had an issue with food having corn as an ingredient. To me, I've felt like it was a filler and didn't provide a ton of benefit other than being a cheaper protein ingredient. This is purely just a personal feeling. I've not experienced any sort of allergy issues with the dog, etc.
 
Have you had any issues with your dogs and the corn as an ingredient in the food? I've always had an issue with food having corn as an ingredient. To me, I've felt like it was a filler and didn't provide a ton of benefit other than being a cheaper protein ingredient. This is purely just a personal feeling. I've not experienced any sort of allergy issues with the dog, etc.
Never. But I have not fed a cheap food in the last 40 years. I'm sure some dogs have some type of food allergies but I think generally there is something else effecting the dog. Last year, my 5 year old labrador had some thinning of hair on his tail. He always shed more than most dogs I have owned. Took him into the vet. She instantly starting pushing food allergies as the cause (which most every vet will do) and felt I should go to a Science Diet food. I suggested doing blood work and checking his thyroid level. She said dogs with a low thyroid are typically over weight and sleep all the time. They didn't really want to do a work up and said it was a food allergy but did at my request. Well guess what, his thyroid was .6 which is extremely low. Put him on a thyroid medicine and his hair was coming back in within 2 weeks. No shedding anymore either.

If a dog isn't doing well on a food, the first thing that should be done is a complete panel work up including checking the dogs thyroid.
 
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Very few studies have been done on supplements for dogs. Most of the stuff you read are suggestions and opinions. Here is one of the few and it suggests that supplements may be beneficial. Not that they are.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180508180649.htm

The problem with the study is that we don't know what food was being fed. There are a few good quality foods out there like Inukshuk and Dr. Tims. One thing for sure is that a hunting dog needs a food high in fat. If your dog is struggling with a high fat content it is probably because you are feeding too much of it. My dogs are 75 lbs and 58 lbs. The 58 lb dog is 11 years old. They get 2 cups and 1.5 cups daily. During hunting season they get a 1/2 cup more. They are in fine hunting condition.

Any vet is going to recommend supplements because they sell them. They also sell a very poor-quality food in Science Diet which is going to need something to go along with it. It is hard to put much trust in a Vets nutritional suggestion when they sell Science Diet. My vet is better than most but had never heard of Inukshuk or Dr. Tims so it is hard to put much trust in their nutritional suggestions. Inukshuk is fairly inexpensive at $70 per bag. Dr. Tims will run close to a $120 per 40 lb bag. If you are feeding a 26/16 food your dog is missing something during hunting season.
My vet is a long time upland/waterfowl hunter and understands gun dogs. She is pretty funny to talk to because she tells me to stay away from what food they sell, etc. She is also the one that helps me stock my med kit with meds, etc. She also loves helping research foods for me and the dog. I think most of the vets have not heard of what I would call specialized foods that guys like you and me, and others on this board, feed. I have thought a number of times about feeding Inukshuk, but it's hard to get away from my current food because he loves it and it's a solid food with a good list of ingredients. I appreciate the study info you have provided. I love reading this stuff!
Never. But I have not fed a cheap for in the last 40 years. I'm sure some dogs have some type of food allergies but I think generally there is something else effecting the dog. Last year, my 5 year old labrador had some thinning of hair on his tail. He always shed more than most dogs I have owned. Took him into the vet. She instantly starting pushing food allergies as the cause (which most every vet will do) and felt I should go to a Science Diet food. I suggested doing blood work and checking his thyroid level. She said dogs with a low thyroid are typically over weight and sleep all the time. They didn't really want to do a work up and said it was a food allergy but did at my request. Well guess what, his thyroid was .6 which is extremely low. Put him on a thyroid medicine and his hair was coming back in within 2 weeks. No shedding anymore either.

If a dog isn't doing well on a food, the first thing that should be done is a complete panel work up including checking the dogs thyroid.
I hate to hear about the thyroid issue. I had a chocolate lab a few years ago that kept gaining weight no matter what I did or fed him. I took him in and requested a blood panel and they found his thyroid was not working properly. They put him on Synthroid and he started dropping weight within a month!
 
My vet is a long time upland/waterfowl hunter and understands gun dogs. She is pretty funny to talk to because she tells me to stay away from what food they sell, etc. She is also the one that helps me stock my med kit with meds, etc. She also loves helping research foods for me and the dog. I think most of the vets have not heard of what I would call specialized foods that guys like you and me, and others on this board, feed. I have thought a number of times about feeding Inukshuk, but it's hard to get away from my current food because he loves it and it's a solid food with a good list of ingredients. I appreciate the study info you have provided. I love reading this stuff!

I hate to hear about the thyroid issue. I had a chocolate lab a few years ago that kept gaining weight no matter what I did or fed him. I took him in and requested a blood panel and they found his thyroid was not working properly. They put him on Synthroid and he started dropping weight within a month!
You know the supplements that we put into our bodies are generally a scam and not really monitored by the FDA. Not that I trust the FDA. Placebo effect for the most part. If you really plan out your diet, you will get better results than supplementing with vitamins and minerals. It is the same with dog supplements, which aren't monitored at all until dogs start to die, they get sued, and put out of business. People see what they want to see in their dogs with supplements. Slip in a sugar pill, they get the same results. The article above suggests just pure water for hydration. None of the studies really prove any benefits to supplements. Feed the best quality food you can get that works for your dogs and keep them hydrated in the field. It makes more sense to buy the most expensive food and feed it year round as to give your dog an average food like Pro Plan then want to supplement them during the season only. Most are weekend warriors anyway and hunt less than 30 days a year. They are not running the Iditarod.
 
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