Quick e collar training

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AndyJohnson

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I just bought an ecollar and plan to start a training program soon but want to hold off until I know what I'm doing. In the meantime however, my dog has a major problem with running across the road and it needs to be corrected ASAP. That's where the pheasants are. It is a dirt road with sparse traffic, but everyone drives around 60 or faster. It is only a matter of time before Duke learns the hard way not to cross the road without me.

My question is: Can I use the e collar to hit him hard when he gets near the road without already having a training program?

Does anyone have a better suggestion of how to correct this problem?

Thanks,
Andy
 
Collar condition

I would properly collar condition him first. Typically, just strapping the collar on for the first time and giving him a strong stimulation to correct an issue will result in other issues. Mainly, very timid every time you strap the collar on from that point forward. Some dogs can get to the point they basically just lay down and quit with a collar on. You can wreck a dog with a collar if you don't take the proper steps in conditioning them to a collar. Just my opinion.
 
Collar conditioning to me is simply this, enforcing verbal commands with leash tugs first before ever putting collar on...then once leash tug is established with voice you add stimulation with the leash tug, then work eventually to no leash. Unless they know what's stimulating them they will pretty much just look around like "who just touched me"? So leash training...being master is a must first IMO.
 
AndyJohnson said:
I just bought an ecollar and plan to start a training program soon but want to hold off until I know what I'm doing. In the meantime however, my dog has a major problem with running across the road and it needs to be corrected ASAP. That's where the pheasants are. It is a dirt road with sparse traffic, but everyone drives around 60 or faster. It is only a matter of time before Duke learns the hard way not to cross the road without me.

My question is: Can I use the e collar to hit him hard when he gets near the road without already having a training program?

Does anyone have a better suggestion of how to correct this problem?

Thanks,
Andy
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Build a fence.
Do not use the ecollar for this. You are about to make a big mistake.
 
AndyJohnson said:
I just bought an ecollar and plan to start a training program soon but want to hold off until I know what I'm doing. In the meantime however, my dog has a major problem with running across the road and it needs to be corrected ASAP. That's where the pheasants are. It is a dirt road with sparse traffic, but everyone drives around 60 or faster. It is only a matter of time before Duke learns the hard way not to cross the road without me.

My question is: Can I use the e collar to hit him hard when he gets near the road without already having a training program?

Does anyone have a better suggestion of how to correct this problem?

Thanks,
Andy
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Quick answer is NO

Long answer is HELL NO! 😄
E collars are only for re enforcing known commands not teaching new commands. Always remember "Teach, Reinforce, and Practice". That's how good dogs are built.
Put a check cord on the pup when ever outside and never leave him unsupervised. Use check cord to teach "here". Follow a good e collar conditioning program.

Sounds like a fun dog. I'll take a high drive/desire dog any day! Have fun

Steve
 
There is no such thing as Quick e-collar training

First step is just as you say, knowing what you are doing. throw that collar away, get a whistle, a leash and a check cord, you will have money left over. Dogs have been trained for thousands of years, how long have e-collars been involved? I have a cousin who fancies himself an "outfitter", his dogs are worthless because he shocks them from a very early age, even when just taking a walk. Instead of using a leash and training accordingly, he will let the dog run to the next intersection, then shock it, with no prior command. He then wonders why his dogs walk at heel and won't hunt (because it's the only time they are not getting shocked). His dogs walk right in front, or at heel, the only time they leave his side is to steal a retrieve from one of my spaniels who are shredding themselves in the deep cover. I don't even want the bird when they are done mauling it. I do use collars on my dogs, but seldom, if ever, use it in any situation other than imminent danger, like a dog heading toward a road, that doesn't immediately respond to the recall command.
 
AndyJohnson said:
I just bought an ecollar and plan to start a training program soon but want to hold off until I know what I'm doing. In the meantime however, my dog has a major problem with running across the road and it needs to be corrected ASAP. That's where the pheasants are. It is a dirt road with sparse traffic, but everyone drives around 60 or faster. It is only a matter of time before Duke learns the hard way not to cross the road without me.

My question is: Can I use the e collar to hit him hard when he gets near the road without already having a training program?

Does anyone have a better suggestion of how to correct this problem?

Thanks,
Andy
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No and the answer to the second question is to teach the dog obedience.
 
I might get into trouble here but I don't feel e collars are a bad thing. They are not the answer to all dog problems. They do not magically train your dog. They are useful when the dog has been trained and is beyond your reach. For instance if the do is taught to sit on a whistle that means sit where ever they are. If it is right next to you or 100 yards away. Shocking a dog from a distance will only confuse them unless they understand and have been trained in what the command is. Never use a collar on a dog because you are mad at them! Teach the dog the command to stay in your yard, then work on it till he/she understands, then introduce the e collar for reinforcement. I have an underground fence in my yard, once the dogs learn the boundaries they never get stimulated, they always respect the line. Maybe that is your best tool buy an underground system and teach the dog that way, then the fence is always watching and you are more at ease knowing your dog won't get hit on the road doing what they are bred to do, chase birds!
 
Not trying to get flogged here .....but in this instance how is it different than trashbreaking. If the dog was running deer or snake breaking or whatever. The dog has never been trained for the desired behaivor. At best a strong no followed by high voltage.
 
Your situation is similar to a dog chasing a running rooster or a deer or rabbit, they'll continue this behavior until you teach them otherwise. Yes...strong voltage may save his life!

Work with the dog in the yard and introduce the collar. When he doesn't want to obey, stimulate. He'll soon get the idea. Get a book or video on collar conditioning - it's not that complex.

Electric fence would be a possibility to consider...
 
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jonnyB said:
Your situation is similar to a dog chasing a running rooster or a deer or rabbit, they'll continue this behavior until you teach them otherwise. Yes...strong voltage may save his life!

Work with the dog in the yard and introduce the collar. When he doesn't want to obey, stimulate. He'll soon get the idea. Get a book or video on collar conditioning - it's not that complex.

Electric fence would be a possibility to consider...
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That is not collar conditioning. Seems like many do not understand the e collar and conditioning. I would suggest the OP get a copy of Mike Lardy's Total E Collar Conditioning dvd and learn how to do this correctly instead of taking advise from the forum.
 
The original question: dog dashes across the street.

There seem to be several corrective possibilities one could consider: leash, whistle, ecollar, stockade fence, electric fence...perhaps there are others.

All of the offered responses are genuinely given, to help solve the original post; fostering opinions on this site is a good thing and I don't believe should be stifled or trashed by anyone.
 
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jonnyB said:
The original question: dog dashes across the street.

There seem to be several corrective possibilities one could consider: leash, whistle, ecollar, stockade fence, electric fence...perhaps there are others.

All of the offered responses are genuinely given, to help solve the original post; fostering opinions on this site is a good thing and I don't believe should be stifled or trashed by anyone.
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Dear Johnny I am direct and straight to the point. The dog needs strict obedience before using a collar. Then needs to be conditioned. Otherwise the dog will never fully understand the purpose of stimulation. The collar should build confidence, not just dish out punishment. If the OP wants to learn how to use a collar, I again suggest the Mike Lardy DVD. He is a professional and considered the best of modern training.
 
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