Probiotics?

I eat yogurt once a day. It works the same as what your talking about.Just look at the store it comes with several different types of fruit.It's usually in the dairy section. I use it all the time.
 
For your dog????? Problem with it in food is most is killed during cooking. I am going to try some and did get Fasttrack from a vet in NE when Odie was sick. It helped. But wondered if there were other better products guy's have had good luck with.
 
My gsp has trouble with her stomach and when I buy yogurt for myself I buy plain yogurt and give 5-6 tablespoons of it every day whe I feed her.I have talked to several vets about doing this and they don't have a problem with it. The only one that kicked about it is one of those fancy high dollar city vets.That one charges either $75 or $80 for an office visit where the others I went to charge half that price and they are farm vets.
 
FCS,

What was Odie sick from? I thought you were using it as a suppliment during times of irregular food intake because of the trials.
 
OKIEGunner said:
FCS,

What was Odie sick from? I thought you were using it as a suppliment during times of irregular food intake because of the trials.
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Well we had him all over for a while, IL, to MN, to NE to IL, to MI, to IL, to MN. And before all that he was on antibiotics. I or the vet in NE put him on the probiotics thinking it was the GI tract. Of coarse I switched food as well thinking those lines. But doing that upset him again a little. We did not do the Pro b for long and want to get him back on some for a while to build up the flora in the GI again. So just kicking around for ones people are using if any. Seems more pointer trial folks use it then most I am finding out. It just seems to be a good tool for the bag. Had I had it at the National? who knows. It certainly would have been better then the alternative for sure.
 
FCSpringer said:
Any one using any, and results?
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I do. Purina came out with a probiotic product last year called FortiFlora.

I use it on trips mostly, to the UP and Out West. There is alot of stress invoved with road trips, not to mention drinking from stock ponds, puddles in the road and such while in the field. One of my dogs does better on these trips now.

Vets use it when they put a dog on antibiotics that they know will upset the GI tract flora. I know a bird dog pro who swears by this stuff now too. Its cheap insurance in my book.

NB
 
I tried the cheap route and bought some at Petco and haven't thought it really did anything. I think if I try it again, I'll order some online called "Dogzymes".
 
FCSpringer said:
Thats just what I ordered Matt, thanks. An interesting web site with other useful stuff I may have to order later.:thumbsup: This is exactly what I was looking for. Time to try it out.

http://www.naturesfarmacy.com/store/details.php?prodId=363&category=30
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FCS,

Probiotics v/s prebiotics. Now I'm lost on this one. Do you understand the difference between the two? Or is this just a matter of terminology? Sorry, I did not want to hijack this thread, but understanding the difference may help out.
 
LOL ya got me and no worry, it is a nice new topic for guys to check out. And hopefully build future knowledge for our hunting partners health. Probiotics are the flora or living bacteria in the GI or intestinal tract. AKA the "good bacteria". They help break down the food as it passes through the intestines. Getting the most out of the food. It helps with the coat, energy, recovery, teeth, breath, farts, stools and so on. The over all general health of the dog. Prebiotics are sort of a food for probiotics so to speak, I gather, and some enzymes do sort of the same thing during ingestion through the mouth, and also in the GI tract. They all break down certain parts of the food so to speak so the dog benefits fully from the food. These good bacteria get lost or killed off from, wormer's, antibiotics, city chlorinated water, stress from hunting and travel and vigorous training. Some dogs get the time and also the ability to replenish them and not really need them. But some dogs worked hard combined with the stress-ors above need help getting them back in and on track. Even food changes can cause it. I am no expert, but you can find about a gazillion different things on the market. And enough to keep you reading for months.

The biggest thing is Antibiotics killing both good and bad bacteria. So supplementing probiotics I have found out is of great value to our dogs, and I learned that from that Vet in Beatrice NE. To me from what I have learned, this is a very good thing for all to check in to.

And no I still don't understand them fully, I can't read half he words they are made up of, LOL All I know is what I seen it do for others dogs and also what others told me.
 
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PS, check out what you buy first. Some are not so good and some good, some have short shelf life and some need refrigeration. This one I am trying, I will know more about after I try it. These have actual living cultures of the good stuff bacteria in them and it goes right into where it is supposed to be. Plus some have several billion more bacteria in them and more strains. Some have "stable" bacteria that make it through the stomach and work better then another. You have to do your home work on them some to see what you may want.
 
birdshooter said:
Ken, here is one I tried with my dog who has seasonal allergies. Not sure it did a whole lot for allergies, but might be perfect for what you need. Very reasonable cost. It combines Probiotics with digestive enzymes. I had a 200gr bottle that lasted darn near a year. http://www.nzymes.com/store/pc/BacPak-Plus-for-Pets-200-Grams-7p8.htm
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That was where I was going to go first till I saw the other one last minute. I just liked the other because of a 3 year shelf life, and it has billions more living culture. Other wise I was going to try BacPak Plus, and may some day if this other does not pan out. But after talking to the consultant, I believe it will be a great product.
 
FCSpringer said:
LOL ya got me and no worry, it is a nice new topic for guys to check out. And hopefully build future knowledge for our hunting partners health. Probiotics are the flora or living bacteria in the GI or intestinal tract. AKA the "good bacteria". They help break down the food as it passes through the intestines. Getting the most out of the food. It helps with the coat, energy, recovery, teeth, breath, farts, stools and so on. The over all general health of the dog. Prebiotics are sort of a food for probiotics so to speak, I gather, and some enzymes do sort of the same thing during ingestion through the mouth, and also in the GI tract. They all break down certain parts of the food so to speak so the dog benefits fully from the food. These good bacteria get lost or killed off from, wormer's, antibiotics, city chlorinated water, stress from hunting and travel and vigorous training. Some dogs get the time and also the ability to replenish them and not really need them. But some dogs worked hard combined with the stress-ors above need help getting them back in and on track. Even food changes can cause it. I am no expert, but you can find about a gazillion different things on the market. And enough to keep you reading for months.

The biggest thing is Antibiotics killing both good and bad bacteria. So supplementing probiotics I have found out is of great value to our dogs, and I learned that from that Vet in Beatrice NE. To me from what I have learned, this is a very good thing for all to check in to.

And no I still don't understand them fully, I can't read half he words they are made up of, LOL All I know is what I seen it do for others dogs and also what others told me.
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Hopefully you welcome the extension of this discussion. I would think that prebiotics being that what would go into dog foods. Your concern of this being “killed during cooking” process bythe dog food company should not be an issue. The Victor dog food that I use also has prebiotics supporting a healthy digestive system.

I think you’re on too something vital, when we administrating antibiotics to dogs. Probiotics will help replenish and counter-act the killing of the good- bacteria necessary in the aid of the digestive tract in dogs. I will also say that some vets can be very antibiotic crazy. Administering preventive doses of antibiotics even though dog blood-work shows no signs. Again, preventive care like this can be just as harmful the next time the dog does need them.

Good topic, please continue to share your observations and experiences with the probiotics!
 
No, the cooking kills a bunch of probiotics, Pre's are kind of a sugar from what I gather so to speak, there fore bennifiting the dog nothing. If the Pre's or food for the probiotics go to a colony that is not there, it does no good... Prebiotics sort of feed the living colony in your dog as they pass through. Is what I have read. But you need to have them there for the rest to work.I spose it all boils down to certain brands and how they go about it. But it is dificult for any dog food co, to truely put this stuf in our food and have it truely be benificial. This in powder form can simply be sprinkeled on the food daily, for some brands.
 
FCS
Very informative ,Thanks for sharing
 
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