Kill a varmit, save a gamebird, and fur prices

Farmers, Habitat, and a Christmas Wish

I sympathize with both positions to a degree. I see abuses of the ground, and lack of concern for any wildlife from the behavior of some landholders, but I work with these people daily, and I see no intention to destroy the world. What I do see, are hardworking folks who don't know what a time clock is, struggling to make a business work, faced with collosal debt. It takes far more capital operate a combination farm, than most of you realize, and the margins are razor thin. Even with crop prices as high as they are, the inputs to get those yields are prohibitive. Land prices through the roof. Lending very tight. Lots of my customers carry net worths in the 2-3 million range, with totals around 5 million, and debt of around 2 million. These operations throw off between 200,000-400,000, in profit, bottom line. Of course there are some accounting, and expense benefits, but I challenge any of you to pencil up a business that has that profile and consider this the profile of greed. Maybe resistent to change , maybe unenlightened by our definition, but not malicious. I know of no farm family which doesn't enjoy seeing wildlife on their land. Absentee profit driven owners, a whole different breed of cat! All bets are off. With the local farmers, they don't have the time, money, or inclination for the most part to tile and drain marginal acres. I do blame the big ag system for continously pushing more and higher priced chemicals, hybrid seed costing hundreds of dollars a bag. My Christmas wish for us all, I would exchange all that for a system which rewards and fosters, self sustaining, self sufficient, low input agricultural models, which produce acceptable returns, while providing water conservation, cleaner water, lower fuel cost, and last but no least wildlife margins, across the country.
 
Exactly my point. Why would anyone do it, strictly for money. it's a love of the life style. I will say the kernel of truth is in the L.L.C. agri-businesses which have people on staff who write grant requests for free money from the tax payers, and milk every dime, a USDA study revealed that 75% of ag subsidy payments were mailed to recipients on Manhattan Island, New York. Obviously not who we had in mind!
 
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Are you serious? Pretty bold to pin this all on farmers and such.

No, I'm not a farmer but have relatives that are - grew up working around them and still occasionally help them during harvest. But farmers just in general provide so much for you and everyone else that you obviously take for granted. If you feel they do it for greed, you have never once stepped outside your world and tried to understand what it takes to operate a farm. Most farmers struggle to keep their operation going and without land, they can't survive. That is just a small grain farm I can speak of. I've tried to understand cattle, etc farms and I can't imagine all their time and efforts to maintaining a healthy livestock. They are not just pets you can throw a bowl of feed and bucket of water out in the pasture.

Obviously the town you live in had to be settled on some form of wildlife habitat back in the day and as every town does - it grows outward and therefore eats away at even more wildlife habitat.

So to sit there and point out one very important cog in our overall economy and an industry that provides so much for your ungrateful a$$. It's just a very big bonehead thing to say.

You show no respect for farmers, why should they respect you and allow you to hunt on their land?

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Anyone who wants to blame farmers or the ag industry needs a reality check. I will give you there is less habitat, no argument. There are also a lot more people to feed then ever before and the popluation is going to continue. I think everyone enjoys spending money on things they want instead of need. Average American spends 5.49% of their disposable income on entertainment/recreation. America has the cheapest, most stable food in the world. The amount of disposable income spent by americans on food has dropped from almost 25% in the 1930's, 40's and 50's to 15-18% in the 60's and 70's, to around 12% in the 80's and 90's, to under 10% since the 2000. Compare that to Russia 36.7%, China 28%, Japan 13%, India 39.4% of all disposable income spent on food. If you had to spend two or three times as much on food would you be able to afford to buy the gear needed to hunt or put the gas in your vehicle to get to your hunting spot? Even more important would you be able to afford your kids with everthing they need growing up? Don't come with this hunting for food crap as we all know truly how expensive wildgame is per pound, even if we won't admit it to anyone. Chicken is cheaper than pheasant. As far as chemicals and seed are concerned, chemicals are cheaper now than ever and yes seed corn is very expensive, but it also allows for less chemicals to be used with tremendously higher yields. Without agribusiness, feeding the world would not be possible. This next statement will really P.O. some of you, but if you don't want farmers to farm solely for crops and livestock profit, give them a reason not to and pay them to hunt on their ground. Farmer's are going to try and make as much money as they can, when is the last time you went up to your boss and said "you know what, you should cut my pay I don't need the money" or if you are a business owner, when is the last time you did something for cost or less because someone's a good guy. Yes it would be perfect for us hunters if we had habitat everywhere and it didn't cost us a dime, but it isn't reality.
 
Uplandgameadvetures I was farmer for years and milked cows for five years so I know the hours you have to put in to make a living. We only farmed around 200 acres and only milked around 35 head but made a ok living. I do not think of the big agribusiness farmes of today that bought up many of the small family farms like I grew up on in the same category. So on the contrary I do not take farming and raising food for granted. We was able to farm and still mantained fence rows that held quial and rabbits and wood lots with squirel and deer. The fence rows are gone now and so are the ones on many of the neighbors, as the land sells and the new owners take over the first thing they do is clear everything then tile.The new owners have no ties to this land and farm many thousands of acres over several counties. This is the kind thing I am talking about. Maybe we should teach the world how to feed itself instead of us doing it. Agibusiness farmers and family farms are very different animals.
 
This is getting good:D I think the probelms more in the gov't farm payments then farming in general. I hear all the time farm enough you don't have to make money on the land I can live good off what the gov'ts paying me.
 
Remember folks, almost all pheasants are raised and live and hunted on private land, farmers land. And, most landowners do understand the problems with predation on gamebirds. Just about all of us will allow trapping.

Being anti farmer is NOT a good thing for your future as a pheasant hunter.
Maybe you should use a bumper sticker so we know who you are.:mad:
Otherwise we may lump all strangers together.

There are a dozen Muzzle loader deer hunters on my ranch right now, some that I don't know. Hunting for free. One indication of anti farmer, the whole works would get the boot.

Get the idea?
 
Dozen hunters how big is your ranch? I know in my area when the raising of oats stopped so did the big pheasant numbers. Can't blame farmers for not wanting to raise a crop you can't make money on. There might be a few farmers out there that aint very wildlife friendly but the vast majority of us are very generous with helping wildlife and letting people hunt, trap and fish.
 
I think it is a good idea to kill skunks:D get as close as you can when you do it. Or we can live trap them all and release them back in the wild metro area.


LOL.......well from what I've gathered that's what many of them would want right? I took the wife into the big city yesterday:eek: and witnessed a woman yelling at a carriage driver of a horse and buggy "that's animal cruelty"!

Give me a break!

Saw quit a few woman wearing fur coats though too. I complimented them on how nice their fur coats looked as often as I could.:D ---1pheas4
 
I love it when people tell me what I should do on the ground I own. I tell them maybe you should turn the block you live on back to the wild.
 
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