Billy B - Next time you are in Lawrence if you don't care about shooting wild birds or not you should check out Eckman Hunting Preserve. Mike Eckman runs the place and I have had nothing, but good experiences there. By the time you factor in the food, gas and time to drive out west into decent wild bird country you can be hunting pheasant, quail, and chukar 10 minutes from Lawrence. Just a thought. I do it a lot before the season starts just to get the dog ready and because I can't always wait until November. Good Luck.